the school went on lockdown after federal agents were spotted in the area
I just want to call attention to the fact that this is where we are as a country. The mere presence of federal employees is causing schools to go into lockdown.
If that’s not a clear indication that things are broken, I don’t know what is.
Half the country loves this btw.
This cant be overstated enough. 70 million people absolutely love what’s happening.
Thats alot of pieces of shit.
We need to make it extremely unpleasant for those people
Much less than half, but they are a very noisy and emboldened group.
If you can get the apathetic and politically uninvolved to start caring, you can easily outnumber the MAGAts.
Good luck. They think by not caring, the country will fix itself and then justify not caring because everything’s falling apart. Makes no sense.
Do they really? I’ve seen a lot of comments supporting this shit, but I always thought they were propaganda bots…
and they have propaganda that either frames it as a liberal hellhole, or they dont report it
We can’t really know what the non-eligible voting population believes, but in the 2024 General Election, ~34% voted Republican, ~32% voted Democrat, ~1% voted 3rd party, and ~33% didn’t vote.
It’s more like at least a third of the country loves this, probably a little more although I have to imagine that some Republicans have soured on Trump, and that not all Republicans share the cult of personality idolization.
My male gamete donor is drooling with delight.
Your testicles drool? You might want to get that looked at by a doctor…
I’m a woman
Fear has no place in school. Oh, this is America. Nevermind.
There is nothing shocking about this. What is surprising is why the hell aren’t local police not arresting their asses. ICE has shown they do not give a fuck about the well being of police officers and treat them like they are inferior. ICE is no match for the police department of any city.
it’s because the police support ice. acab
Not all cops bastards but too many cops are bastards
Just like all generalizations, there are of course exceptions. But I’m still not giving any of them the benefit of the doubt, cops are an enemy as far as I’m concenered.
Just ask George Floyd.
There aren’t exceptions when the “good cops” are turning a blind eye on the “bad apples”.
I mean, I had an uncle who was a good guy. He ended up quitting the force and bought a boat to sail around the world. He was a decent one.
There are always outliers, so I have no doubt there are some decent folks who joined to make an actual difference. There might even be a few who managed to hold onto that drive. But they are part of a corrupt system, peered with power hungry morons. So I have no compunction saying that all cops are bastards.
Every group has outliers, it’s the sycophants who will always try to point out the minuscule good in the sea of evil as a means to whitewash the black stains. We aren’t stupid, we know that acab doesn’t mean every single cop walks I lockstep, it’s an observation of the system as a whole.
How many bad cops he caught. Notice that that’s my yardstick.
Your bastard uncle was rewarded with a cool boat and chill retirement for holding the rest of us at gunpoint. Fuck him.
I mean, fair enough, I’m not here to defend him, just an example of there being outliers. like I said, I wouldn’t give any of them the benefit of the doubt.
“A few bad apples spoil the bunch.”
I originally thought not ACAB, but until the “good cops” start arresting the “bad apples”, corrupt, prepotent, wife beaters, drug traffickers, sleazy, etc. I will conclude ACAB.
The only ones who get arrested are those who commit egregious offences that the public are aware of and leadership cannot swipe under the rug. And then the “Investigation” shows that there were already multiple reports of previous wrong doing and that their bosses and other cops already knew.
Was he the “bad apple” or was it the whole force which knew what he was doing?
You’d need a police force with zero bad apples for me to believe that not ACAB.
We need to accept that to really fix the situation.
I grew up in mexico where corruption is endemic. One day, my mom was complaining about corruption pointing fingers. I told her that I left mexico because it’s impossible to live there without being corrupt. That, if you give money to a corrupt police officer or any other bureaucrat you are corrupt, and most of the time it’s not even a choice. If you didn’t report wrong doing because “nothing will be done” you are corrupt.
So, It’s my observation that ACAB.
I agree with you, well said
who do you think the LEO support.
This should still shock all of us
Currently, ICE outnumbers Minneapolis police by over 2 to 1.
The behaviour of ice and the dhs fits the definition of terrorism: “the unlawful use of violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims”. State terrorism is still terrorism.
Nazi Germany prior to the Reichstag fire was kinda like the usa now: thugs on the street harassing civilians of chosen outgroups without consequences, but the government was still ostensibly obeying laws and not yet mass disappearing people. I think usa republicans aren’t ready yet to have their Reichstag fire moment, but it just seems like a matter of time. Their expansion of ice seems pretty much unopposed & their take over of government agencies + army/navy appears to be progressing steadily as well.
Our Reichstag fire was long ago, and it’s not about “Republicans”.
The response to 9-11 is what some consider to be the “turning point”, the Patriot Act and what it created was a point of no return. (it made ICE, a surveillance state, Guantanamo concentration camp, and so much more). There is no better environment for fascism, it approves and supports fascism by design.
If you somehow erased every Republican tomorrow, that fascist surveillance police state would remain, waiting to be used in the only way it can be used.
Democrats won’t save you
oh yea, and the Ds never immediately repeal the things bush did in his 2 terms, they JUST KEPT IT around, as if like they need the thing to keep the masses complicit.
what some consider to be the turning point
Yep. I remember those conversations, you’re right.
Unfortunately it was also around the time the world was urging US citizens to vote in decent numbers and they were told to mind their own business, that not voting was a right.
Democrats won’t save you
The current ones won’t. The only way, outside collapse and rebuild which is undesirable, action from within government which won’t happen, stop work and participation protests peacefully by something like 60-70% of the population which won’t happen because Americans can’t endure hardship, is to vote out the current Democrats in primaries then vote those primaried in. That requires better than 80% turnout and sticking to the cause, cleaning out and rebuilding that party. Your system allows nothing else and it needs numbers because of the Electoral College problem.
The fact is, had Americans not been so lazy with voting, it and now the world wouldn’t be here. That this is caused by simple laziness and lack of desire to vote will never be forgotten by me and it will always cloud my view of Americans. I’ll never again give any American citizen the benefit of the doubt.
Edits: third paragraph
the CURRENT dnc, are pretty much complicit, and in line with the gop and thier donors. if you look at which senators, and house seats, a percentage of them are like chuck schumer and hakeem jefferies, DINOs. the minority leaders are just lightning rods to take attention away from the DINOs that are at risk of being primaried. and yes culture war bs, also helps the DINos too, keeps the plebs distracted as much it does the republicans. remember shcumers, had 8 non-electable Ds take the fall for reopening the government, it was to hide the other 13 senators, that were up for re-election this year.
schumer dint want to do it himself, because it was too obvious to vote with the gop. a fun fact amy schumer is chucks cousin, and both are pretty much the same POS(one steals jokes material and the other shills for aipac).
dems are too fickle to vote in lockstep like republicans do, they had the whole propaganda mahcine figure dout, dems never took advantage of social media, they are always banking on traditional methods, aka LAZY campaigning. from what we observed, DNC loves to coast by on some marginal insignificant wins, to keep the grift going, as probably coordinated by thier megadonors/gop back doors.
It’s great when people put effort into their replies and show they care about their country and politics. Thanks.
Okay, for sake of discussion let’s say everyone who can vote does vote.
Why do you think that would improve things? The options are still A or B, and both options are pro-corporate police surveillance state.
Even if these voters elected ONLY Democrats, and all of those Democrats were “the good ones” (let’s say they are New Deal Ds who are pro-union)…
The behemoth would still be there, doing it’s thing. None of these elected reps would change this. There’s a massive black budget that most elected reps will never, ever see.
Our political system has evolved to protect itself from interference, so it must be dismantled. All of it.
And there are international monsters exerting their will, too. It’s a very big problem.
I don’t give any nationality the benefit of the doubt, join us
Looks like you’re giving a brief and governed glance to the point of primaries.
why do you think that would improve things
Option A has better people.
there’s still only option A and B
Option A has now changed and yes, I said that, which as I also pointed out sets tge terms you have to fix it.
the behemoth would still be there
I assume by ‘behemoth’ you mean the capitalist influence problem. That’s why you put those people there, to legislate against that. You gave them a mandate. It takes time, it wouldn’t change overnight, but to assume that they wouldn’t is looking for excuses.
none of these elected reps would change this
But the Republicans can elect theirs and they can make the changes they want. Okay.
More excuses for not trying.
it must be dismantled
Yes, and you only have three ways, outside voting in the people you want. The first is horrific, the second won’t happen from within and the third, the population won’t endure the hardship for.
This is what I mean by excuses and laziness.
It’s why nothing will be done and you’ll fall under it. You can’t even put trust in and take the easy option.
Laziness doesn’t just mean ‘won’t work physically for money’.
join us
Pass
Pass
I was just kidding, we all know that your nation lives under the heavy yoke of the USA. If only you were brave enough to protest and vote properly and destroy it!
Oh well, until you do, the USA will gladly allow you to serve it for as long as you need.
I will never give your nation the benefit of the doubt again, I’m afraid. :(
Champ none of this offends me, but I get it.
brave enough to protest
I have.
and vote
I did. Every election.
the USA will gladly allow…
Yeah? No shit Sherlock, it’s likely my government will follow you clowns, because of a fucking debt we owe over WW2. Not sure if you remember that cuntbucket, but we keep our word.
Do I like that? Nope, but it is what it is.
I will never give…
I don’t care. That neans more to you than us sunshine, I give you the drum.
Buddy, I’m not trying to offend you.
The only way you could find my post offensive is if it pertains to you. Whoopsie, I thought you were better than that!
I don’t care that you don’t care, Debbie Downer. Go sit in your corner and weep!
YOU MUST VOTE FOR THEM IT’S THE ONLY WAY
The question is, is the American public in the right mood to flip over to fascism when scared by the riechstag fire or flip against it?
Dude, we’ve already flipped. Dissent is punished and while most people aren’t okay with it, no one’s doing anything that will actually stop it.
Dissent is punished
That won’t stop on its own.
as soon as the first shooting, disappearance happened, there shouldve been riots, instead we got peaceful and ineffective protesting, if the govt knows you arnt going to riot with threat of mass unrest, they are going to ignore the protest.
At the very least they’ll look on and offer ‘thoughts and prayers’.
We already see the ‘sorry, I didn’t do this personally, the ‘good natured’ jokes about it because what else can you do at a time like this, how they ‘stand on the side of…’, the philosophical quotes whenever something happens.
Can’t vote or protest though, nope, they might lose a job, or it’s their right not to, or it doesn’t make a difference.
They’ll look on. Furthermore once it’s all done they’ll expect we quickly forget and forgive.
💀
I remember was just in highschool like during the first trump admin…
This is beyond cooked. My grades was already has Cs and Ds, if this shit happened when I was in highschool, this is just guranteeing that I get all Fs. I’d be too scared to go to school as an immigrant (legal btw).
What the fuck.
The irony is that in a lot of states you’d be reported to the police for truancy and missing too much school. -Yet another way to put a target on your back.
Damned if you do, damned if you don’t.
It’s like showing up to immigration court.
If you don’t, that’s illegal.
But if you do, ICE shows up anyways.
Stress fucks up your academic performance something fierce. I don’t blame you for having poor grades. I got fired in my first Trump term.
i suspect parents will be transferring them to safer districts or even move to another state.
Assuming they have the means for that…
My grades was already has Cs and Ds.
You dont say?
Yes, depression and fucking household issues. So much fucking yelling in the house.
I not exactly in a good mood right now so I don’t bother to use proper grammer.
I’m dreading a Chinese Exclusion Act 2.0 and also busy helping with family stuff… and I get yelled at a lot by my parents because I “didn’t do the stuff correctly”
Depression makes my mind kinda split into 2 languages so I kinda mixed things up lol
Flashbacks to getting bullied in school
Ugh
No worries, you didn’t do anything wrong.
Hope things start getting better soon.
Be cool, my friend. ✌️
Hang in there eh, it’s not your fault.
Highschool has been long done.
I just took the GED instead.
I did get accepted to Penn State but I had to withdraw due to depression. Because my family of origin is so unsympathetic to depression and because they’re from a culture that doesn’t understand mental health at all.
Still surviving… but barely.
I have to rely on family.
Any chance to get a doctor to diagnose you and prescribe something?
I did get an official depression diagnosis… by a PCP/ General Practicianer, not a psychaitrist.
I was on Lexapro for a bit, then my emotions got out of control and I misused it… overdose on Lexapro… (in attempt to feel better, not really a suicide attempt), nothing really happened except I feel a bit weird and like… obviously I did not die. I did this several times… I told the doctor about these incidents, I was told to see an actual psychaitrist… so this is where I am right now…
Idk who to trust lol
Fun fact: My mom keeps blaming me for my “self harm” and she said it was my fault for overdosing.
Hmm guess who was the one that set up this toxic home environment?
But I can’t even confront her about it… the power dynamic is so different… mom is always right about everything…
This is just typical Chinese culture… nobody really understand mental health… it’s just so stigmitized.
You’re either completely insane, or you’re just lazy and “lying and faking it” to get out of responsibilities.
I honestly have this morbid curiosity and wonder how my mom would feel if I actually kms.
I wonder if she would actually feel bad about me dying.
I understand why you’d feel that way. As far as we know though it doesn’t look like you’d get to find out if she did or not. I suspect she would! Bad parenting can still be well intended with really poor execution.
More importantly, I suspect others would miss you.
And the main thing that has kept me un-un-aliving is the research showing how (1) those who attempt it, most often regret it and (2) that an objectively life-changing decision is being made on impulse. Think long term if you can friend.
No need to be jealous. You’ll get that GED someday. Hopefully ICE won’t be around to join by then.
“They don’t care. They’re just animals. I’ve never seen people behave like this.
You know it’s fucking dire if someone that works at a school says that.
Fox has amped them up for the last 16 years.
They’re gonna get so much worse unless they’re stopped.
I wish I could agree with you, but when I worked at a campus, I heard teachers make similar remarks about children of color.
“They care about teaching and keep the kids safe,” were among the reasons why these teachers should get to keep their jobs.
I’d think that silently forcing a child to accept their fate due to systemic racism due to your biases would be considered an act of aggression, but apparently I was at fault for reporting this behavior.
Okay, but they’re not saying that about a child of color. They’re saying it about DHS coming in and throwing people to the ground. I’m sorry that happened to you, but it’s not really relevant.
Huh, there seems to be a resounding “fuck you” to my previous comment. I think I may have either read too deep into your original comment, or I’m missing something that’s implied.
I read your comment as, “teachers are practically Mr. Rogers and it speaks volumes that they’d disparage anyone.” Did I misunderstand?
I believe it’s meant to be read as “teachers are observing ice behaving worse than even the most irreverent highschoolers”. Correct me if I’m wrong and I’ll delete this
That’s also what I read it as
I see, thank you!
For all the larpers here demanding violent response, here’s the link to Judge Karen Immergut’s final decision of November 7, 2025 kicking the National Guard out of Portland, Oregon.
https://www.opb.org/pdf/FINDINGS OF FACT AND CONCLUSIONS OF LAW_1762564569662.pdf
You don’t have to read the whole thing. In fact, you don’t have to read more than the first (long) paragraph to understand that the courts are still largely defending the Constitution, and that it was the lack of violent response to Trump’s provocations that caused her to rule against keeping the National Guard in Portland. I’ve added line breaks, but this is the first paragraph:
On September 27, 2025, the President of the United States federalized 200 members of the Oregon National Guard over the objection of Oregon’s governor and deployed them to a single federal building in Portland, Oregon. In the ensuing days, the President ordered the deployment of 400 federalized members of the Texas and California National Guards, all to the same federal building in Oregon. The mission of these deployments of military troops was ostensibly to quell violent protests outside the one-block Immigration and Customs Enforcement (“ICE”) building in Portland.
But after a three-day trial that included the testimony of federal, state, and local law enforcement officials and hundreds of exhibits describing protest activity outside the Portland ICE building, the evidence demonstrates that these deployments, which were objected to by Oregon’s governor and not requested by the federal officials in charge of protection of the ICE building, exceeded the President’s authority.
While violent protests did occur in June, they quickly abated due to the efforts of civil law enforcement officers. And since that brief span of a few days in June, the protests outside the Portland ICE facility have been predominately peaceful, with only isolated and sporadic instances of relatively low-level violence, largely between protesters and counter-protesters.
When considering these conditions that persisted for months before the President’s federalization of the National Guard, this Court concludes that even giving great deference to the President’s determination, the President did not have a lawful basis to federalize the National Guard under 10 U.S.C. § 12406. (emphases and line breaks added by me)
And then, specifically BECAUSE of the non-violent response of Portland, in every successive paragraph Judge Immergut labeled the order to move the National Guard into Portland UNLAWFUL.
A violent response is NOT the answer at this point in time. I guarantee we will ALL know when it is. Save your shot.
In the meantime, my fellow countrymen, beware of larpers who don’t even live in the US, much less in Minneapolis, trying to whip up rage and get people to fight. It’s not their blood that will be shed, not their families destroyed, not the last shreds of their democracy thrown into the cesspit of an impotent orange excrescence’s lust for power and unending greed: it will be our own.
If you’re here to say you think people should fight, all you’re really telling me is that you’ve never had to fight, you don’t know how it works, you won’t be the one to pay the price in your own blood, AND you want Trump to consolidate his power even faster than he already is by giving him reason to occupy cities with the National Guard, declare martial law, and avoid having midterm elections. Think twice.
Canadian here: it is important to us that you resist your fascist regime. We need you to do that just as much you need to do that for yourselves. It is also extremely important to deeply understand that resistance is NOT a binary switch that flips between “nothing” and “armed resistance”. At this stage in the game, in the US, you guys need to be doing a whole lot more of non-armed and institutional resistance. You need extreme pettiness. Make the trumpofascists pay a price in annoyance every step of the fucking way.
For example, call your senators and congresspeople, even the more radical left ones, and ask them why they are not calling for votes for every fucking little thing that depends on unanimity.. Then threaten to primary those that don’t. RESIST OR GET OUT OF THE WAY.
Then, the question goes to the mayors the ones that bluster with “gtfo ICE”. Why are they not doing road reconstruction in front and round ICE facilities? Why are there no incessant pipe maintenance requests at the sewers and cables and water mains that feed those compounds? RATFUCK THEM.
Then the question goes to the merchants. Why are there no “we don’t sell to ICE” signs on shops around their compounds? Why is it commercially viable to NOT have a policy like that? Why are they contracting work to them? Why is any private entity in the ICE supply chain not being constantly threatened with boycotts and divestment? MAKE IT TOXIC TO WORK WITH THEM.
Do I need to keep going, or do people get the idea?
Beyond that, realize that you have to start small, then build up: https://youtu.be/vvaquOcNEKI Armed resistance is the worst case scenario endgame. Not the start.
As an outsider; there’s always plenty of trolls out there, but I think a lot of the recent calls for violence stem from tons of people outside being really scared right now. The head of the state of USA just kidnapped a leader of another nation in a military operation and is threatening to attack and conquer part of another sovereign state, which even has been allied with USA for a long time. So from Europe especially it looks like your country has turned on us and become a real threat, and you are lead by unhinged megalomaniac controlling the worlds largest army, that might actually do as he says; collapse NATO and start another great war.
Seeing video footage of someone being brutally murdered by the state has truly shocked people in my country as well - something like that is incredibly alarming, and combined with your leaders threats of war, to us it basically looks like fascists have taken over your country already. Considering the history of ww2 and the rise of nazis is still well known and remembered in Europe, it’s easy to jump into conclusions about where this seems to be leading into, since we are barely getting news about any resistance happening.
All this combined with scared people thus logically ends up with pleas to do anything to stop ww3 from happening, since it is your country threatening to start it
Our country has already fallen to fascists. That happened. Otherwise all this wouldn’t be happening. People need to accept that and start organizing before he starts WW3, which he very well.may have already.
I agree with every word you wrote. Now imagine being a citizen of that country that is threatening WWIII in your name. and completely against your will while all around you its adherents act like they’re in a cult and babble sound bites and nonsense at you while you watch them work toward blowing the world up.
You have no idea how many of us are on your side, because even our media goes at the worst of these excesses with a “both sides the same” approach. I personally am terrified, but I’m old enough to know that wars always last longer than people think they will. Save your shot and use it for maximum effect.
Protests do work; violence does not. We’ve had a lot of violent protests in the US in the last few years, but none of them are viewed as successes. There’s a reason for that. Getting people riled up to do stupid things helps no one but the oppressor. Cop City was built for this, and they started that what, ten years ago? That’s how long they’ve been preparing. And Alligator Alcatraz has thousands of beds . . . for deportees? No. Deportees get deported, you don’t hold them. They waited until the infrastructure was ready, and now they are so prepared for anyone who wants to go violent, because they want that, and will use that to declare martial law. And we, the resistance, is only just starting!
What we need and want is for the fence-sitters among us to join the protest, and that does not happen with violence. Violence repels the non-involved and gives them a reason to turn away.
Calls to violence that lead to violence are exactly what this regime wants. Why do you advocate giving them anything at all? There are many ways to manage emotions that do not involve calling other people to fight in the streets. If we see violence in the streets, that means the regime is fully in place and we are now under martial law: in that instance everyone should fight as much as they want.
But until then, be wise. This is only the beginning. If anyone wants to make a REAL difference, then instead of calling for others to shed their blood for you, you decide what you can do where you are, using what you have, to make a start. If you’re not in the US it really helps when YOU protest! And of course here we can each do what we can. We haven’t even tried a general strike, and that would be our next best step.
In the meantime, my fellow countrymen, beware of larpers who don’t even live in the US, much less in Minneapolis, trying to whip up rage and get people to fight.
This bears repeating. I’ve seen it in every political thread here on lemmy.world for the last year. Every, single, time, some troll crashes into the thread and promotes escalation and violence. And every time someone takes the bait and gets into an argument, swamping half the visible comment area, effectively pushing out any sane discourse about a smarter way to deal with this. It’s hard to see it happen with such regularity and not imagine this to be calculated and deliberate.
To this I say: let’s treat our political forum spaces like a protest. Stay civil. Call out provocateurs but don’t engage directly. Downvote and report to admins. Freeze these trolls out of the conversation, and let’s keep putting our heads together.
Thank you for saying this. I do not believe any of them are posting in good faith, and when challenged rely on logical fallacies and emotionally charged non-factual or barely factual statements.
They’re here solely to inflame and incite. No other conclusion left to draw.
It might depend on how we define “good faith”, but I think some of them are probably posting in good faith — though good intentions don’t negate the harm they do, of course. I get the sense that some of the people trying to incite violent action are feeling overwhelmed and powerless due to being so far away from what is happening. I say this as someone who isn’t an American, and thus can only spectate with horror as American politics continues going to hell, with ripple effects on the rest of the world.
It’s easy to rile people up when it’s not your neck on the line though. However uncomfortable it is to be spectating what’s happening in the US, you guys have it much worse. It would be nice to imagine that this is the kind of thing that could be solved through one, big push of violent resistance, but with how deep MAGA cronies have gotten their talons into US politics, resistance will necessarily require thinking of the long game. Violent resistance, when deployed unwisely, can end up serving the ends of the oppressor.
I get the sense that some of the people trying to incite violent action are feeling overwhelmed and powerless due to being so far away from what is happening.
I agree with this, and it shames me that my own humanity is dulled enough by constant challenges to consider it secondary. But a core part of what us anti-fascists actually tend to agree about is that words matter. I’d take it a step further and say that en masse we are individually creating change whether for better or worse, whether we acknowledge we have that power or not.
So when we incite others, we are making the problem bigger even in spite of ourselves, even as much as we claim to want the opposite (a return to sane leadership and at least superficially courteous discourse).
And that’s beyond the obvious logistics: these people arguing for violent resistance never say where or when or how they’d like others to fight, but those of us who have actually been to protests that got heated know it’s not that simple. Agents provocateurs are everywhere, because they want it to get violent, the administration wants to be able to run headlines that paint resistors as disgruntled agitators and hoodlums and troublemakers, not your neighbor or your coworker or your boss. Anything to dehumanize and label “the other”, and violent protests deliver us all up to that end. As soon as we are labeled, we cease to matter.
Compounding this problem, Americans have been firehosed with propaganda and mass manipulation from every direction for over a decade now, including mainstream media. The atmosphere here now is much what I have read of pre-WWII Germany: tight, cautious, foreboding, grim. And angry. Extremely angry. So when I see people who want to light a match to it, it’s almost impossible for me to see that as an act of good faith.
In the meantime, for all the media focus on this unconscionable murder of a citizen just trying to get home (apparently she was shot on the same street she lived) the existing cracks in the administration’s attempts to consolidate power are widening. I’d point you to Heather Cox Richardson, who mentioned in her chat today what the media is downplaying: that the Dems finally pushed through a vote on the healthcare subsidies today, and they got it through on a discharge petition because over a dozen Republicans voted for it in spite of Trump’s threats and Mike Johnson’s best efforts to keep it from a vote.
The House is also set to overturn two Trump vetoes (one of which is a Trump revenge veto against Lauren Boebert of Colorado for standing firm on the Epstein files).EDITED to add that they failed to overturn the vetoes, but did get a War Powers Act resolution up for a vote through the Senate, meaning that they will vote on whether further action in Venezuela has to be approved by Congress. This was aided by five Republicans who voted with the Dems.All of that is a big deal. This complicit Congress, without whom Trump would have nothing, are now working across the aisle on multiple issues in spite of him. Even Minnesota is standing firm and telling the feds that the ICE thug who shot Ms. Good can in fact be charged with murder by the state, and there’s really nothing the feds can do about it. The Supreme Court can only rule on what comes before it; meanwhile, lower courts are overturning his efforts right and left.
In short, he is losing power faster than he can consolidate it, and when it comes right down to it, his goons shot a woman whose only crime was trying to get home from dropping her son off at school. When American beliefs have shifted away from a prevailing wind, it has often been because of a victim like Ms. Good that we can all relate to. Again, the firehose of lies is flooding the media with their alternative narrative, but those videos are circulating faster than they can be shut down – and even the videos only exist because sane individuals were out there blowing whistles to let their neighbors know that ICE was there to begin with. That’s where real change happens, and where true power lies: with the individual.
So yeah. I can’t tell you how bad it is here right now: it is beyond anything I have ever experienced. But resistance is popping up everywhere, and outside of the roughly 20%-25% that are always going to support authoritarian rule in any society, there is no real support for him. That’s another reason why I’d tell people here to incite violence to knock it off: they could actually be part of the growing resistance if they let go of the rage and think about what’s next. Wisdom and rage rarely accomplish the same thing, and we’ve only just started to fight back. Anyone who wants to fight in the street will likely have their opportunity to do so, unfortunately. But right now it will only fuel the oppressor.
Thank you for your courteous reply; I was kind of shocked to see it, honestly. I appreciate it, more than you know.
Seriously, thank you for that writeup. I clung to every word, and it inspired hope.
While the prevailing hivemind narrative is that people are “doing nothing” while Nero plays his fiddle, that’s clearly not actually the case, and inspires me to be way more politically active.
Thank you again for the discourse and taking the time to educate people. You’re doing good work. God bless and stay safe out there. <3
Are you using AI? Who writes like that?
Professionals. Academics. Anyone who’s been to college can write like that. Go get an education.
I do, all the time. I used to on Reddit quite a lot. So, if anything, AI writes like me.
So, if anything, AI writes like me.
What a mic-drop shutdown of a response. DAMN. Lol!
You’re totally right with that approach. Asking rational questions that bypass kneejerk violence-monkey emotions tends to not get a valid response.
I’m also wary of all these “Well go start a fight or you don’t actually care” posts. They’re typical keyboard-warrior nonsense and I wouldn’t be surprised if they were bots at this point, as there would be a lot of value in flooding every communication platform imaginable with this rhetoric until it does something to legitimize tyranny. This would be trivial for any nation-state or even competent fringe group to pull off.
I’m what AI trained on, fool.
I tend to agree. I’m trying my level best to approach the entire situation with as much humanism and empathy as I can muster. That said, I’ve become a bit more bold in asking for honest follow-up from these folks: what’s the plan, what have you done to prepare, what practical things can the rest of us do, and how will you survive the violent uprising you endorse? I’ve watched others try this as well. So far, it’s just been radio silence every time. While not direct evidence, my experience so far is that these troll-like comments strongly resemble bad-faith arguments, as their authors disengage when I attempt to solicit details and/or de-escalate the conversation.
I just tell the trolls to address the rising right wing threat in their own country, because wherever they’re from, it’s happening there, too.
this is the argument that caused people to permit the Nazis.
That’s how they’d love everyone to think. Violent response gives pretext to drive the jackboot in. If you try to go to pick a fight on a force with a monopoly on violence, you’ll get yourself killed and embolden them.
Successful overthrows happen when elites break ranks, when organised alternatives exist, when military, police and bureaucracy take another option.
Organise peaceful protest, appeal to those in power rather than threatening them, and make the alternative more attractive than the status quo.
I agree, to some significant extent. But I don’t agree with the suppression of violence, here. Rather, it should be channeled into the ranks of said organized alternatives.
…but if there are no organized alternatives, and someone loses their shit, they should do a little research and aim at the most egregious lawnreakers first.
Ah yes, because if people shot Nazis the Nazis would have taken their ball and gone home.
they did. It was called World War 2.
Really? One person shot one Nazi and the Nazis stopped the holocaust?
don’t pretend your mind doesn’t work well enough to comprehend what I’m saying.
An alliance of a dozen countries completely crushed the Nazi war machine.
Which isn’t relevant.
You’re strongly implying shooting someone (anyone?) in the US federal government will stop the rapidly increasing fascism. It won’t. It will be a casus belli to double down on fascism.
So go pound sand.
The casus belli argument might be meaningful if they weren’t already bellicose, and actively pursuing violence. So go hide in a corner.
that said, I don’t advocate violence yet (until, perhaps, an actual dictatorship is established and election terms are violated). It’s still a situation that has potential to be resolved internally, with law, come the elections this year - if there’s meaningful action by the representation.
However, if someone loses their shit, I argue that they should do their homework and go for the most dire of lawbreakers first.
So what specific violence do you recommend? Against whom? Where? When? Based on which historical precedent (pick just one)?
Because you’re both very light on specifics. “[T]his is the argument that caused people to permit the Nazis” is a statement made of smoke.
The specific violence is highly contextual. And it’s wise to be light on specifics, but for historical examples you can look up the history of German and Austrian resistance fighters in Germany during and prior to world war 2 if you like. Efforts both peaceful and violent had an impact and contributed to the allied victory.
A good example would be finding specific individuals who have broken the law and killed people, but who have avoided any legal repercussion, and ensuring that there is a repercussion.
It’s definitely not an action that should be taken wildly, or while on tilt. but we’re approaching the point of needing that kind of action.
Shitler’s Gestapo terrorizing kids. On brand for the kiddie rapist cult
How long before he takes his pick from among the most delectable children and has them snatched for him? Maybe it’s already happening?
Why not? Nothing would happen. It’s the right of kings!
PedoCon.
Sure, start socializing them to be terrified of the government while they’re still young.
That protestor was fortunate that he wasn’t shot in the face.
On a side note, if you’re participating in a protest, please wear reasonable shoes or even steel-toed boots, not SANDALS. This request is for your own safety, I’m not the fashion police.
And especially don’t wear socks with sandals!
Who were they going to get? A kid? Or better yet, a teacher? A coach, a school janitor or bus driver?
Perhaps the public should re-examine the premise of why they hate “criminal” immigrants so much…
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That was a close one!
But Kamala laughed funny.
in reality the sexist, racist men dint want a black/indian woman as a president, they use excuses.
There was more than that to her unpopularity, honestly. We need to be a little more serious about what lead us to this place if we hope to avoid another loss, if we get the chance to run a candidate again.
No, it’s the Howard Dean scream all over again.
not exactly, the election showed us that most of the machines were rigged via starlink, and the red states closed thier polls very early on to stop the counting, they know they cant outright do voter fraud, so they immediately stopped it.
Bullshit. Provide a source.
At least rugged machines makes sense…
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
A reminder to all US residents for when you are close to an ICE vehicle. If it is a low vehicle such as a car, if they try to run you over by going forward, you will be thrown over the hood and likely to be okay, but vehicles that are higher or the back of a car will suck you under. Don’t stand behind an ICE vehicle or in front off an ICE truck/suv. It is safest from the side or the front of an ICE car. However check to see if the steering tires are straight because if it reverses and turns hard, it can suck you under the side.
You’ll only go over the hood if they’re traveling at a decent clip, ironically. I wouldn’t have that as your Plan A.
…and be sure to carry a small valve-stem remover tool in your pocket.
A BB or small piece of gravel screwed under the cap will slowly drain the air without having to need to carry a tool or knife you might get in trouble for. A nail placed under a parked tire is such a way to puncture only when they pull away will have a similar effect.
You don’t need any context to understand this is very simple. When you are being surrounded by rouge, angry, armed men with assault weapons, RUN FOR YOUR LIFE.
Mrs. Good tried to run away, but they wouldn’t let her and killed her in cold blood in front of her community to make a point. That ICE agent Jonathan Ross MUST be charged for this murder, otherwise they will continue to murder innocent people more and more.
If you run they will murder you dude. I think this is bad advice to give honestly… You even mention the killing of someone who tried to run.
You’re better off sorting it out with your lawyer later and trying to sue. Finances is all the government cares about so if you start chipping away at that maybe then shit will change.
sorting it out with your lawyer later
Youre assuming these ass bags abide by due process, and youll ever see a lawyer
I’m not sure this is a great solution either. People are getting picked up by ICE and disappeared. Hard to fight it with a lawyer when you’re isolated in a hole somewhere in Africa or South America.
Indeed, and non-citizens aren’t entitled to due process, apparently. And I can’t imagine how many citizens must’ve been deported due to being denied the opportunity to show that they are citizens. Lawyers have been finding it super difficult to stay in contact with the clients even when they’re being held in detention in the US. It’s fucking terrifying
You’re better off sorting it out with your lawyer later and trying to sue.
Unfortunately captures by ICE have often lead to those lawyers saying “You shipped my client WHERE EXACTLY?!?”
…and getting nothing in response…
They’re going to schools because it’s a safe assumption no one has a gun.
They want easy victims, and too many people still don’t understand what the phrase “stay dangerous” ever meant.
Yep, I also have a feeling they are singling out weak targets to appear strong, nationally and internationally: blackmail Ukraine, plan luxury resorts in Gaza, kill unarmed people unprovoked, kidnap the head of one of the weakest states on earth, threaten a starving country (Cuba), defund universities and humanitarian organizations.
They can be seen kneeling when Putin offers a shoe to polish and when they have to play the victim of hostile trade.
Sorry for going on a tangent. The frustration is real.
That is never a safe assumption in US schools
