YouTube’s system for suppressing low-quality AI content mistakenly targeted Kurzgesagt, leaving the channel with its worst-performing upload since 2013.
Yet YouTube Music is absolutely rife with AI bullshit. So much fake-ass viking, cowboy, or other ‘badass’ AI generated slop.
I was recently accused on Lemmy of using AI to write up a post (laced with links to appropriate Wikipedia articles).
I’m still not sure how I feel about it.
This is exactly why I hold anti-AI folk in low regard, because they have yet to demonstrate their “detection” abilities to discern between human and generated creations. They are basically psychics and ghost whisperers.
Oh you used a big word, AI phony!
Nah dude, I just . . . know how to write?
This is the shit state of the world now. Everything gets accused of being AI by someone. The AI tech bros have well and truly won. They’ve poisoned everything.
YouTube’s bullshit is having some interesting effects for sure. Have you noticed how more and more channels are now including short clips of them doing the actual voiceover? It’s usually not even that long, like a second or two or sometimes even less. But apparently that’s now needed to prove that there’s an actual human behind the channel.
I do find it a bit distracting, but I’d rather not lose those channels either…
AI slopt censoring AI slopt
we need an option to report obvious AI use in videos. currently there is no option to report ai
I have no words.
They were probably right.
Reminder that Kurzgesagt is German government sponsored slop originally created by Bill Gates to spread capitalist propaganda (yes, unironically) https://youtu.be/ZRPcyWNfgxo
“Everything I don’t agree with is slop”
Pseudoscience about capitalism going to magically fix climate change by doing nothing is slop.
I prefer slop to live in its own technical box of generative AI crap instead of broadening the word to the point it’s just another meaningly pejorative like sus.
You are aware of course that slop existed before generative AI and there are other things that are slop.
Knowing how extremely unscientific Kurzgesagt is the accusation of them using AI to create slop scripts is most likely true.
Seriously can anyone the Dyson Sphere video and not come away thinking this is written by morons who have no idea what they’re talking about?
But you say the word “science” a bunch of times with a nice looking, animation as if we have self-replicating robots already, and every Liberal will buy it.
Using AI to detect AI has, time and time again, proven to be a broken idea. Here is Google with a genius idea: use AI to detect AI, to prevent AI videos.
Keep in mind folks, this is a global top-three company in terms of revenue.
This is also a company pushing AI
Not sure it’s possible to fight machine generated slop on the big platforms now. People who invest a lot of time and effort are being squeezed out. Businesses that don’t give a fuck about quality upload multiple low effort videos a week across multiple channels getting massive views, probably most from gaming the system.
Sad for the people who spend months researching, writing and producing videos but this might be the end of the ride as far as making videos as a day job. The platform doesn’t value them or their loyal viewers.
The creators facing burnout who don’t leave out of disgust will join the slop machine and start championing it. Starting to see it already.
Looks like more content creators will migrate to Nebula. Or people’s Patreon will get flooded with more donations.
In this economy?
Such a shame because I wish people gave PeerTube a chance. Now, it’s apparently overrun by absolute loons.
Now that you mentioned it, there aren’t enough traffic and new content in PeerTube which dissuaded me from checking back.
Some transit channels have uploaded mirrors to PeerTube but the numbers are minuscule compared to their Youtube channels.
Yea…weird how that happened… -looks around the Lemmy landscape-
Wonder why….
Youtube’s system sucks, but I don’t feel bad for many of these channels. They used to be great. You could learn a lot while eating, or just entertain yourself without brainrot.
For a few years now, however, increasing numbers of their videos have been sponsored by billionaires (or their chains of companies or foundations), either in part or in full. Some extreme cases are just plain propaganda.
That’s the youtube dream. Pretend to be genuine long enough to attract an audience that will attract a dark money suger daddy sponsorship gravy train and it’s all daisies from there on out.
Literally the same as a politician.
Examples?
I’d love to have a small list for class.
A perfect example is Veritasium’s now deleted video about self driving cars. Entirely sponsored by Waymo, featuring exlusively data provided by Waymo (which coincidentally contradicted all other available data), and the guy acts like the video being fully sponsored means nothing.
Once people called him out, he started acting like a victim targeted by everyone for no reason. Just read his comments under videos on the topic. It’s just pathetic.
Many other channels, like Kurzgesagt, completely source their data from billionaire-sponsored websites like OurWorldInData. Sometimes the data matches other, more reliable and trustworthy sources, and other times it’s just plain made up.
In addition to portraying various subjects from only one perspective, which, suspiciously, always seems to be the one that makes billionaires look better.
YouTube videos about the two cases I mentioned:
One of the largest slop-machines targeting one of the most vocal and popular anti-slop edutainment channels as slop feels like a targeted attack…
KZ feels a little sloppy at times, I stopped following it
They’ve admitted to using “AI” content editing tools. But, I’d bet most of those tools are using “AI” either due to exploiting hype, or due to being based on non-generative, “AI” ML classifiers.
edutainment channels
*educationing channels
Educational entertainment, also referred to by the portmanteau edutainment
The word has been around since 1973 and is included in many dictionaries. If you want to correct someone, at least inform yourself beforehand.
I tried to make a joke. Looks like I failed.
I wonder if it could be that the AI trains on popular content, meaning AI slop sometimes looks like Kurzgesagt because it’s ripping it off, which means the slop filter learns to recognize the original content that got ripped off as slop…?
What part of AI hallucinates do you not fucking understand?
I don’t understand. I have more slop AI content than ever
I am super sceptical of anything made in the last year. Youtube will close to being worthless if the trend continues.
I guess the only way to be sure is to watch live sporting events. Maybe one of the side effects of this LLM boom is that F1, MLB, NBA, etc will have more viewers.
Yeah, it’s bad.
Non-watermarked slop is going to be impossible to detect going forward, and the false detections are going to get worse.
The fundamental issue is the monetization scheme. It’s just too lucrative for spammers. YouTube’s economics are broken, and getting worse.
…Hence, no matter what YouTube says, YouTube is going to double down on “detectors,” because Alphabet leadership couldn’t care less about destroying longstanding creators. Their only objective is to suppress just enough spam to keep ad buyers unconcerned next quarter, no matter the long term damage; that’s someone else’s problem.
We need a law that requires AI-generated videos to be watermarked and huge fines for the streaming companies that allow unmarked videos.
The best solution would be to turn away from detectors, which will always be a losing game, and return to crowdsourced curation through users likes and ratings.
But that would end up with too many of the corporate propaganda videos getting tanked with dislikes so YouTube will never go for that.
For every ten users who decry AI voices and animation, a thousand more will blindly click “Like” and “Subscribe”. The people have spoken, and they want to eat straight from the fertilizer pile.
People only click like and subscribe because their other options were taken from them. They got tired of the people speaking up so removed the options to do so.
I’ve run my own anecdotal and admittedly small blind trials on friends and family. Most people unfortunately preferred the A.I. slop to real human content. My theory is because it tends to be brought and shiny. The only actual study I could find online, told participants which is which, kind of defeating the purpose in my opinion.
nah, they are doing that because they are good taught consumers who know well how to follow orders obediently. It’s just so convenient to not think, just do what they tell them. aah have you seen that animation, and the sound effect?!
I feel It is less that AI content is difficult to detect and more that the AI technology Youtube is using to detect it is complete trash.
I respectfully disagree.
Have you seen what Minimax H3 can output, on a desktop? Even dirt-cheap AI video gen is basically undetectable now. I think all YouTube can filter is the absolute “bottom barrel” spammers still using some old model because they don’t know any better.
And if they train detectors on “stereotypical” AI output like Ghibli style or flat colors or whatever, they’re just going to nuke channels like Kurzgesagt while most AI slop spammers adapt to get through. There’s literally nothing for detectors to go on anymore.
…But also, YT doesn’t even care.
The filters make next quarter look better because they do catch the bottom barrel, and that’s all that matters.
If the slop videos get through, the average user won’t see the difference either, so why should they care?
There’s literally nothing for detectors to go on anymore.
It’s harder for users as well. Even youtubers I’ve followed for a while have started using the recipe of having a ridculous thumbnail such as “WHY YOU SHOULD NEVER BUY THIS” with an arrow pointing to something. After a couple of times of catching me because I own one of the things the arrow is pointing to (and then watching a 10:01 long video not talking about the item in question) I decided not to fall for it. I noticed that discovery of a new channel got hard. They’re all following the recipe now since I guess youtube mandates it, so it’s the same bas relief thumbnails that seem like they pose a question and a video that doesn’t answer it. We’ll end up with a new Betteridge’s Law and the resource youtube once was is lost forever and we’ll stand around making dumb faces thinking how we’re all getting ripped off…
I wish more people that oppose ai would actually keep up with it so they don’t regurgitate outdated information, or claims that nobody will use it when it stops being subsidized.
To be fair, people generally won’t keep up with something they aren’t interested in, much less something they are actively disinterested in. That’s reasonable.
I do have an irrational pet peeve of people making claims on something they know little about though, which is why I may have come on as hostile…
that’s extremely rational
Seems the same pattern at X, probably because they hired in an ex-YouTuber at the top. Moderation algorithms are universally very poorly written and don’t appear to have gotten better in the last 6-8 years when they began using them to replace human moderators. On X they seem to have a timer for new accounts that puts a fake label on accounts as if they’re spamming or a bot, when it’s just a real user with opinions the algorithm is trained to dislike. Same exact crap the old Twitter did. They put the source code on the web and it showed how if you posted or replied on any of a broad range of topics, your account was scored lower until you were deemed low quality and made invisible. It’s like they just wanted cat memes and recipes from elderly women, but not many of them on Twitter or X. Probably because they hired in people from companies where non-controversial topics were a much larger share of what was discussed there. 1 trick ponies who weren’t suitable for doing the same job at X.
There’s no way to boost ad views or MAU with that approach. I believe X will never be profitable due to those people running the show and Musk not ever hiring anyone a lot better to run X. Musk had a similarly bad experience with Solar city. Another company he didn’t know enough about to manage himself and the people he hired to do it weren’t good enough either.
Youtube and X is basically a private monopolies. They only care about the profit margins. Any and all extra expenditure to R&D or consumer satisfaction is just a cut to their profits today and since they don’t have any real competition, so why raise quality of service above the bare minimum? Their only real selling point is that everybody uses them, so everybody will have to keep using them, if they want to be seen or access most things. they don’t care if they serve slop, because you and me and the wider masses are going to eat it up anyway.
X loses money so no margins there. Twitter has never made a profit in its history that I’ve ever heard of. Facebook’s on the way out. 20 years ago it was college age users. 10 years ago it was people over 50. Now it’s a lot of commercial accounts posting as they do on other basically dying or dead platforms. The only sign of life is streaming video and chats related to streaming video. YouTube has been losing users and content creators to both Rumble and Twitch. The right 1/3 of America is on Rumble while Twitch took the gamers. Youtube still has business but they basically gave away enough business to make those 2 relevant.
Alphabet’s dependent on Youtube, cloud services, web search, and related ads to pay for the unprofitable parts of the business, which appears to be where the bulk of their employees work, rather than at the earnings-generators. If they screw up youtube, then they will have to lay a lot of the people in the fun and interesting jobs off, along with the many layers of bureaucracy and non-coders working in jobs that nobody’s quite sure what they do there. They can’t really afford to screw up youtube any more than they have. It can’t merely do well. It has to do great to pay all of their bills. Very similar to the action-hero movies at the movie studio paying for all the unprofitable ones that most people work on
