So, OS-level age-gating is going federal, which will effectively kill your rights to device ownership and what’s left of free speech and expression.
Enjoy your free speech while you still have it because this is a clear attempt to erase that right.
SOPA never died, it just went into hiding until time to reemerge, and now’s that time, this is basically SOPA in a save the kids trenchcoat.
No it wont. Because we’re gonna light shit on fire until this goes away, ICE melts, and the hostages are released from the internment camps. Right?
I fucking hope so 🏴🏴🏴🏴
Sir, this is Lemmy. We came here because we were banned from Reddit. That’s about the extent of our action against the system that runs our lives.
Yeah, but if we keep advocating for violent revolution maybe someone else will do it for us so we can have better lives!
For some of us we are too injured and broken to do much more then hope those who are of sound body and able to resist will do so.
Even an injured person can man a radio. Can produce leaflets, can distribute whistles, can send food and supplies.
Start watching resistance stories. Read books like full spectrum resistance.
You are not alone You are not powerless You do not have to feel defeated…that’s what they want.
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I hope they bring some vibe coded, 3d-printed anti-air defense missiles with them!
According to lemmy.world’s rules, as written by the Zionists in charge; advocating for any sort of violence would be against the rules. You have to go to those instances to see both proof of action plus advocating of further action.
Doing nothing is violence
I agree, the people in charge of your instance, who happen to full-throatedly support the genocide of the palestinian people, do not however agree. That is something for your to wrestle with, and maybe choose a better instance should you wish to both advocate for or participate in acts prohibited to be discussed by lemmy.world’s rules.
I’m new and have no idea what an instance is.
Edit: nevermind I googled it. Pretty convoluted
It’s not.
You have an account on a server (instance). That server has an administrator. I have an account on a different server, which has a different administrator. We can speak to each other in the middle from these two separate servers, via federation protocols.
The administrator(s) on your server are loud and proud authoritarians and frequently silence any discussion of general resistance, among other topics that they don’t like. This is not a personal failure on your part; there’s not much way to know about it except to be told or to inspect the mod logs yourself. Now that you’ve been told, though, you have the opportunity to move to a server that actually respects your right to speak on the internet.
Or you may elect to stay on LW and be banned or censored without warning, and be lightly associated with auth-left idiots for anyone who knows what the LW admins are like. That is a choice that can be made.
If you are going to make a move, I’ll warn you that .ml is known for similar. Just about most anywhere else is hosted by sane people, frequently as independent projects, even more frequently as a direct response to LW and ML’s dumbfuckery.
Genuinely appreciate the response, thank you. Going to switch it up
You mean the shadowy place Mufasa told us to stay away from?
Never forget, anyone who doesn’t advocate for the exact specific things you advocate for is the enemy, and should be treated as such!
Unless they’re a benevolent billionaire, obviously.
Being honest? Why I came here. And, frankly, I’ve been here less than a day and I love it more than I did Reddit. (Still figuring this place out, but yeah )
And, frankly, I’ve been here less than a day and I love it more than I did Reddit. (Still figuring this place out, but yeah )
Welcome!
Has anyone invited you to try Linux yet? (I’m joking. But Linux is pretty great now. Let us know if you’re Linux curious…)
Edit: Also, we love Star Trek here, but we only fully agree on the old seasons and on Lower Decks.
I’m seen! 😊
🤣
Eat the rich
And written by a Democrat. They really have become useless. First they regularly forget that they are opposition for a reason, and now they even betray their voters with the most stupid law humans can cook up.
They’re bought and paid for by basically all the big industries just like the GOP.
And written by a Democrat.
They are literally never your ally. A lot of us refuse to accept that we have 2 parties that don’t give one solitary fuck about us because it means we have no say whatsoever in our government, but Democrats prove time and time again that this is the case.
The most we get are a handful of “representatives” that somehow managed to beat AIPAC and all the corporate interests that buy the rest of them, but that handful isn’t enough to actually force meaningful change or to prevent the worst from happening. :(
but that handful isn’t enough to actually force meaningful change or to prevent the worst from happening. :(
Yes. They’re allowing the planet to boil to avoid briefly inconveniencing idiot billionaires who believe they will science magic their way to Mars to escape.
We don’t need any more evidence that they’re worthless traitors to humanity. =/
I don’t think they think they’re an opposition party, and they certainly wouldn’t oppose mass surveillance. They never have.
Or a parent could, I don’t know, just parent their own kids instead of expecting the government to.
I got so many downvotes last time I suggested this, it was just comical to me how many people get pissed at the implication that they aren’t watching their kids, while not watching their kids.
I wonder how much of the down voting stems from people seeing “let me parent my own kids” as being tied to conservative propaganda used to support anti-woke bills in places like Florida.
I haven’t a clue.
The context of when I posted it was on a comic about “I’d do anything for my kids except listen to them talk about what they enjoy”.
How else are you supposed to figure what kind of stupid nonsense they’re getting up to. Anytime I see my kids focused on almost anything I’ll ask “what’re you working on?”
How dare you be present! That’s just going to result in emotionally grounded adults with a sense of belonging.
I guess you not only read just the post titles, but also just the title of the bill too.
Nope, read the full resolutions text, and also emailed my rep. But thanks anyhow!
Why not both?
I fully expect the government to pull this shit, but I’ll parent my kids not to tolerate it.
The government is there to give us the tools to parent our kids, not to actually parent them. Give us free and open internet, but have training on how to be a diligent parent.
This has absolutely nothing to do with kids
It has nothing to do with kids it’s just an excuse to push more surveillance
They can’t even arrest the pedophiles in government but they want to mass surveil us for everything.
Those are not contrary, but complementary things.
The rules have always been for us, not for them.
The police are enforcers for the elites, they don’t stop crime, they extract fines from people and provide a deterrent to anyone standing up for themselves.
I know but we outnumber them a million to one so we don’t actually have to put up with this
With what organization? The left is too busy with shit like tone policing for any cohesive narrative to take root.
Turns out when your brain is filled with no-no words that effectively act as thought terminating cliches you end up being unable to effectively communicate with people you disagree with. Crazy how the far right simply does not have this problem, no? Granted they aren’t really for ‘discussion’ or ‘debate’ or ‘deliberation’ in the same way leftists are, and their thought terminating cliches are much worse; climate change being one of the big ones.
US left is way too disorganized, but this isn’t because of “”“tone policing”“” (no you cannot say slurs) or debating the specifics of ideals (of course the right doesn’t do this, they have no ideals, don’t copy the child rapists).
It’s because of, among other things, a decades-long operation to systemically crack communities, down to there being basically no infrastructure to even meet up at except the library or church, and also to keep everyone so exhausted and distracted they don’t bother trying.
Solving problem #1 is harder but problem #2 involves communicating with people locally who you can actually work with (marginalized groups aren’t going to work with violent bigots, if this annoys you, talk to the bigots yourself) and joining local orgs to meet needs – rent/utilities assistance, building community toolboxes and fridges, generally moving people away from “barely surviving” so they can actually develop an interest in leftist ideals
There is absolutely hyper-fixation on identity politics over material conditions. This has been an intentional project to move the realm of political discourse and conflict to the immaterial.
Yes, not being a bigoted asshole matters, but also it’s a wedge issue that absolutely moves otherwise poor, oppressed people away from solidarity. I don’t know how you bridge the problem, but as long as those people are on the other side, that’s a problem, and you ignore it at your peril.
Yeah I have no issue with not saying slurs (and saying I can’t say slurs is fucking dumb, I choose not to because I understand why I shouldn’t — not because trogs on their high horses tell me no), my problem is that you took the phrase ‘shit like tone policing’ and immediately assumed this must be the singular problem I have with how the left communicates. Thus spurring on an entire comment on why the left doesn’t communicate with the right.
I’m not suggesting the left communicate with the right, at all. I’m suggesting the left needs to learn how to communicate amongst itself because things like no no words end up functioning as thought terminating cliches — see your entire comment for reference.
I understand what you’re saying, but this is an issue that mostly exists between (don’t like this term much but can’t think of a better one) extremely terminally-online leftists who do not organize.
Going offline, this is generally just not an issue, the orgs filled with people who just argue over theory also don’t do much and shouldn’t be listened to. It’s a large movement and there are bound to be people who are unfortunately less effective.
I didn’t bother discussing how online leftist infighting affects real life, it’s not relevant compared to, say, the much realer issue of left-orgs blowing up because of, say, someone being outed as a sex pest or someone slandering someone they don’t like anymore (which isn’t an issue only relegated to the left, the right does this way more often)
I didn’t bother discussing how online leftist infighting affects real life, it’s not relevant compared to, say, the much realer issue of left-orgs blowing up because of, say, someone being outed as a sex pest or someone slandering someone they don’t like anymore (which isn’t an issue only relegated to the left, the right does this way more often)
Please don’t get me wrong, my motivations were not ‘both sides’ or something along those lines. Maybe not obviously, but it’s clear to me that we both believe the side bringing measles back is the wrong one.
My problem is that these terminally online leftist spaces end up being the narrative sent to (or experienced by) the brainwashed masses on the right. Simply not engaging with an online space is ineffective when trying to combat their manipulation of word of mouth messaging.
I’m not trying to argue for the right to say slurs. Unless they’re directed at conservatives, then I’m conflicted.
Yea so you quit taking badly about the pedophiles in government.
That’s because we are dangerous (to the rich’s interests)
Yes. I suspect this is all because we successfully arrested Epstein.
They worry we won’t actually stand for their kidnapping and raping our kids, unless they strengthen their grip.
That would require them to arrest themselves, because everyone in the roles that deal with that are themselves pedophiles.
“Parents Decide Act”
Yet text of it has basically nothing about parents in it, just government data collection lol
that’s just another American Value, naming bills as sarcastically and ironcally as possible
A tradition that started with bill of “rights.”
What if you are not even a parent!
Exactly
As a parent I am deciding not to comply.
In fact this is the opposite of parents deciding. Parents can already decide.
If this thread is any indication, we’re cooked. If this many people are willing to give the government the benefit of the doubt, after what we’re dealing with…
This will not be benign, it will seem innocent at first, but we’ll have given up yet another seemingly simple thing that will eventually be used against us.
evidently Palantir wasn’t able to use all available data and a few glaciers to find out who was saying mean things about Important People With Money. This oughta fill in those gaps.
Tell your reps that this bill doesn’t get a chance to breathe if they ever want your support in future elections.
Remember when windows implemented a feature that took a screenshot of your PC every 5 seconds or whatever? Now they know exactly whose screenshots those are and basically surveille your PC use as if watching from behind your back? Yeah…we know what they want. They want to effectively disarm our ability to use computers to challenge them. God knows what they’re planning to implement after this goes through. It’s not just about the laws they’re passing, it’s about what those laws enable them to do. Sure windows rolled back that feature, but it’s still there. They didn’t remove the code, they just changed what triggers it and if the PC user knows or not.
I’d have photoshopped an image of Satya Nadella giving head to Donald Trump and made it my desktop…
“Recall” this! Microsoft!
nice
Never thought I’d see the day that a corporation as notoriously incompetent and milquetoast as Microsoft became a defacto Gestapo enforcer.
Calling Microsoft milquetoast when it has some heinous history is quite a thing to read 😄
Motherfuckers want this so they can more easily find kiddies to groom and rape.
Start selling the narrative folks, this is not gonna be a clean war
Fair.
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This bill is being pushed by Meta and they are NOT going to stop with age verification. It is not about “protecting children” and it never has been. It’s always been about surveillance and control. Meta wants to know who you are, where you are, what you buy, what you download, who you associate with and what your politics are.
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If Meta succeeds in putting all this on your computer at the operating system level, then what is the point of even having a VPN anymore? Also Meta will sell this information to anyone who asks for it.
Meta is pushing this because their platforms are overrun by bots. Ironically because partly of the AI tools they have created. And advertisers have caught up and aren’t willing to pay top dollars anymore on Meta’s platforms. Hence why Meta desperately wants a way to proof that their traffic comes from real people.
They also benefit from it as it impacts OS providers like Apple and Google. These companies need to contend with privacy flaws and supporting them on their devices, spending resources on that, while Meta just uses the OS API to “verify” user age pretending they care about children. Profit.
If Meta succeeds in putting all this on your computer at the operating system level, then what is the point of even having a VPN anymore? Also Meta will sell this information to anyone who asks for it.
I think this is not an accident.
Meta management are evil but kind of clueless. I would guess the usual suspects including Palantir are whispering in their ears.
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We will keep defeating these nasty bills, we have to keep pushing and not just giving into what the government wants. As what the government wants is nasty as fuck! There will be means to circumvent such changes, Ageless Linux is working on categorizing the methods of evasion, keeping track of what Linux distros are deciding and doing in regards to Age Verification.
Abolish the 2 party system while you’re at it.
Oofta, I’d love to have multiple parties with different priorities to vote for. That would be a huge ask, figuring that out for the American political system would be amazing.
That would be a huge ask, figuring that out for the American political system would be amazing.
Change the electoral system from first past the post to one of the saner alternatives (preferably https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single_transferable_vote) and the rest will follow on its own.
Problem is, what reason do Democrats or Republicans have to change it? As far as I can see they love trading back every term or two which means any electoral change will require tearing both parties down. Or could you start with states / towns first? I don’t know enough about US voting.
We have to get lucky every time. They only have to get lucky once.
its almost like our elected officials have forgotton who they work for. maybe its time for a reminder?
The thing is, this horseshit is only happening because adults have let computers - more specifically, iPads and phones - become their children’s babysitters.
Have you seen any of the “iPad Kids” videos?
Holy shit, what fucking irresponsible parents.
this horseshit is only happening because adults have let computers - more specifically, iPads and phones - become their children’s babysitters.
This horseshit is only happening because Meta is lobbying hard for it and throwing tons of money at it, because they want ‘protecting children’ to be the OS’s responsibility, not the website’s.
Meta needs verifiable human eyeballs on ads or rates will head wayyyyy down
No this is being pushed by Meta. Fuck zuck.
I don’t wanna Fuck Zuck. Might get something I can’t get rid of with soap and a sandblaster.
Napalm and a match will do the trick.
“and for other purposes” umm
I was reading a list of bills and whatnot from March the other day. They all say “and for other purposes” they all say that
This one literally just tacks it at the end of the proposal. As it gives no purposes other than “and for other”
yeah, I was following up on a bill introduced by one of me senators and was poking around this website https://www.govtrack.us/
I dont know why, but every bill has this phrase written at the end of it. It is ominous, and I dont know why theyre written this way, probablt some legal bullshit.
Its the same reason even traffic laws are written ambiguosly. It gives everyone from cops to senators the ability to do what they want and then get away with it.
This is how the democrats lose the next election.
GJ snatching defeat from the jaws of victory. Again
Unfortunately, nobody really cares about this shit either way. No chance this costs dems an election, especially considering support for age verification laws have generally been bipartisan.
this is one of the examples of how electoralism can only ever give us some breathing room, but never our full liberation. even a “good” politician is still a politician. they may have entered government to reshape government, but eventually working in government will reshape them.
i encourage others to work to get the best possible politicians into positions of power, but to also work on coagulating people power in order to topple those same positions of power. here are some things you can do:
- organize a union
- learn first aid
- participate in mutual aid projects
- become acquainted with self defense and community defense mechanisms
- learn about reducing your digital footprint at protests
Liberation comes at the end of a gun.
You’re a bad person for pointing this out. /s
You stole my exact comment.
How can anyone not trust that face!? I’m sure this is all very well-intentioned!
Wouldn’t this just be unenforceable for any Linux distros not directly owned/maintained by a US-based corporation? I don’t really see how they could force a distro to comply, unless they start going after individual maintainers who live in the US.
If you read this
lawbill in the strictest way, it makes almost no sense. It says that anyone who makes or controls an operating system has to check the age of every person who uses it. But it does not limit this to big companies. That could mean volunteers who help build Debian or even someone at home making their own version of Linux. Thelawbill would expect them to build a system that asks for (and verifies) a birthday before you can use the computer.It gets even stranger with websites like GitHub. If someone downloads shared code and uses it, the person who posted it might be seen as responsible. But they have no way to know who downloaded it or what they did with it. The
lawbill would still expect their system to check ages and share that information with app makers.Gets even more absurd when you start to dig at the definition of an ‘operating system’.
Besides computers and phones, lots of small electronic devices have a rudimentary OS built into them, including (among many other things) a lot of appliances these days. Forget needing to verify your age in order to use your computer, say hello to needing to verify your age in order to use a refrigerator … or a gas pump.
I’d say the majority of equipment and devices in the POS sector of IT make this version of the bill wildly impractical and doomed from the start. They’ll either have to redraft it to specifically be about consumer devices or the retail, restaurant, and c-stores sectors will be up shits creek.
They have many ways to do this if they want:
- go after US entities, like the Linux Foundation. They only need to go after enough to make them fall in line
- Make it illegal to distribute non compliant systems, including downloads
- Make it illegal to operate or even possess a non compliant system
Even if they don’t go after individuals they can do a lot of damage in restricting trade and business use of something. The mere threat of legal action is though to make business owners nope out.
It’s already risky to draw attention to yourself by using privacy focused phones when traveling. It’s the ultimate “if your have nothing to hide why are you worried” situation.
They’re forcing legitimate users to either give up or go underground and risk being seen as criminals.
Multiple forks of software go brrrrrrrrrrrrr
https://github.com/explainers-by-googlers/Web-Environment-Integrity
This was a proposal a few years ago for how to enforce “trusted web”. Basically, a way for service providers to verify, at a per request basis, that the client is using an unmodified software stack, starting with an operating system signed by a trusted developer. Could absolutely be modified to enforce this shit.
