Proving she’s not an establishment Dem by having the ability to read the fucking room.
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Not to worry - there will still be prisons in which to toss your terrorist ass
you sound like a capitalist bro, wtf
She’s the past, the present and the future. All hail our socialist queen!
No queens no god no masters thank you very much
Let’s wait for perfect instead. That’ll work out wonderfully!
She’s the epitome of not letting the perfect be the enemy of the good.
all hail indeed, it can’t come soon enough.
This is such a nonstory, but okay, cool. AOC was a member previously, certainly seems to be pretty damned compatible with her views, and once the DSA noticed she wasn’t a member, renewed her membership.
The DSA didn’t “notice” anything. They’ve known the whole time. She left the DSA to join the Democratic party because the Democratic party was the only way to get elected anywhere. Because they had such a stranglehold on the “left wing” of our political system. What changed is that’s no longer the case. The Democratic party is falling to shit because of the centrists who are basically Republicans at this point. So she is leaving that party and going back to the DSA and solidifying her position there because like her we all need to abandon the Democratic party and embrace Democratic socialism.
The DSA didn’t “notice” anything. They’ve known the whole time.
I’d love a source for this claim.
She left the DSA to join the Democratic party because the Democratic party was the only way to get elected anywhere.
The DSA is a political organization, not a political party. They do not run candidates. They do endorse people.
If you are DSA and run for office, you run as a Democrat or Independent or whatever else.
So this is two strikes against you knowing what you’re talking about.
So she is leaving that party and going back to the DSA
You are ignorant of what the DSA actually is.
because like her we all need to abandon the Democratic party and embrace Democratic socialism.
I support the DSA because they are the most progressive organization out there, and they are actually getting support, so I feel my support of them increases the visibility and support for progressive ideas. And I am not afraid of the word “socialism”, and if “democratic socialism” takes off and helps us get human rights, social safety nets, and all the other things, I’m all for it.
That said, most people who are running for office who affiliate with the DSA will be running as… wait for it… Democrats.
Including AOC.
So please go do a little research.
DSA isn’t a party though
She left the DSA to join the Democratic party
DSA is not a party. That’s part of the reason it’s unable to discipline elected officials . . . which is one reason that AOC is able to do nonsense like “working tirelessly for a ceasefire” and find no reprecussion from the org.
But nobody leaves DSA to join the Democrats. Most DSA members ARE registered Democrats, especially in closed primary states.
do nonsense like “working tirelessly for a ceasefire” and find no reprecussion from the org.
Explain how that’s nonsense? It’s not like she has the power to actually solve it
Stating that the Biden administration, which controls the weapons going to Israel, is “working ceaselessly for a ceasefire” is nonsense because they could have forced one any time they chose.
In fact, they were legally required not to provide arms to a genocide.
AOC didn’t have to give them cover. But she did. DSA, meanwhile, can’t do shit about her doing that.
No this is huge. a large political statement actually in light of recent events
/SYAC
Democratic Socialists of America (DSA)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_Socialists_of_America
OHHH, saved you a click
LOL yeah, hope you didn’t have to search for that or the effort was wasted :)
Weeeeeell…
The establishment joins when convenient
Rejoins is present tense, by the way, not past.
I’m a fan of the DSA for the time, but I’m afraid they have the same structural weakness of all political organizations. I can’t bring myself to give then money.
What structural weakness?
It’s hard for me to articulate, but I’ll do my very best.
I’d say my biggest fear is that the power and wealth borrowed from supporters will be used to entrench ambitious, self centered, career politicians into government. Effectively creating no progress, but taking steam out if an important movement.
With no real framework to guarantee that a group will do what they say, and no way to ensure they stay loyal to their supporters interests behind closed doors, I don’t think I could ever give any real level of trust.
People.
I’m afraid you’ll have to get over that hangup. Considering how politics literally means “of the people”
Literally cannot stand politics. It maybe I can’t stand that I need to pay attention to them and be involved. I just want everything to work, but it’s those goddamn people fucking things up all the time.
Not being engaged in politics is synonymous with not being engaged in life.
Politics is “of the people”, unless you’re living alone in a cave in the middle of the woods and never using anything you didn’t yourself make or extract, you are engaged in politics. Every time you interact with literally anything, ever, at all, for any reason, you are doing something political.
My biggest complaint about modern neo liberalism is the cultural work it’s done to convince people “politics” is not synonymous “existence”.
I think it’s because it’s taken on a modern meaning that as synonymous with rich people getting richer, poor people going and fighting wars, taxing working class folk and not the businesses they work for, and so much more. When I hear politics, I certainly don’t hear “of the people,” I hear “special interests only.”
So me, personally, I don’t consider much of what I do politicking, but I also know I need to be engaged and involved, or else someone is going to politick away the rights of me and my neighbors. And that is why I can’t stand it. I just want things to work, but they won’t because people actively work to make things a fucking mess.
How do you think it got this way? Because most Americans don’t engage with politics, therefore letting the people who perpetrate those things have nearly free reign to decide for you that’s what you want.
*american “politics” (or rather late stage capitalism).
but I feel you, for my own sanity, i would probably also try to disconnect a little bit of the politics in the USA, it’s also a bit demotivating/depressing in europe (Not as bad as in the USA yet, but we are on the track of that), with the rise of right-wing parties, like, why don’t those people see what they are actually trying to elect, how don’t they see how much they are propaganda-ized by fossil-fueled companies and capitalists, voting against their own interests??
What are you doing on lemmy then? It’s probably the most political forum I know of.
First comment outta the gate. lol
What does AOC and DSA have to do with Epstein ?
Exactly! They are not doing enough or even anything about it!
Yet somehow are wholly responsible
Would join as well but DSA co-chair Megan Romer is an absolute wet fart of a human. She makes it too embarrassing to be a member… that and the Marxist book clubs.
you’re upset that a socialist organization has socialist book clubs?
How are you organizing your community?
I’m not. I will support candidates that align with my views by sending them money. DSA is close to my views, but it has too many communists and the org is led by amateurs that don’t know how to speak or win an argument.
I’m not
you might want to start, instead of armchair arguing against DSA…
As you armchair argue against armchair arguing against the DSA?
What do you mean? I’m an active member in DSA for years now. I’m active in rapid response groups. I’m fighting against Proud Boys and ICE. I make and distribute whistle kits. I’m part of the Community Defense working group and I help marshal events, and add security. I make maps and voter lists for our electoral working group to canvass. I march with striking workers and provide labor support. I provide child care so people can attend events like chapter meetings without worrying about their kids. I’m active in our campaigns against datacenters and flock cameras; I’ve gone to many many board meetings and town halls to voice these concerns and get the communities active. Similar with our BDS campaign. I’ve personally gotten many people signed up and active.
What have you done lately?
What a joke. She is a fucking opportunist. DSA would be foolish to back her she will spit on them every step of her way to power.
The fuck?
She’s progressive. DSA is progressive. The fuck is your problem?
He’s an .ml user, that’s his problem
AOC been a sell out for a bit. Cozying up with Schumer and shit
You guys really really love fascists winning, don’t you?
A lot of them apparently think that China is doing all the right things so, yeah.
They could have worded it better but there is plenty to criticize. The left should always push the overton window and stop accepting sorta kinda left just because it’s not fascism.
I like her btw
But that’s how you push the overton window. Accept every slight improvement. If you only accept big improvement, and wait for everyone to be happy, you will never move the window at all.
That’s how the right is pushing it for years. They accept every single slightly more right position, and then go from there.
How is not accepting “sorta kinda left” not an improvement if the alternative is fascism? A leftist utopia will never materialize if we don’t accept steps inbetween. Just like fascism didn’t materialize overnight.
They could have worded it better
They should have worded it completely differently if so.
Where are the Epstein files?
Another HOT .ml TAKE! You people are all such clowns lol
It’s kind of ridiculous, like it’s a troll factory of some sorts… Against… Everything. Haha.
