My fiancée and I just flatly say we can’t have kids and that shuts most people up.
Never mind the reason why we can’t have kids is because we don’t like them.
While we also choose a child-free existence, it wasn’t until some close friends had kids that were awesome that I realized I don’t dislike kids. I dislike shitty parents.
That said, I can go meet up with people whenever I feel like it. I also have lots more disposable income. It’s pretty great if it’s what you want anyway.
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Why not ? People don’t like many thing, they are allowed to not like kid aren’t they ?
Well it’s because of the notion that the very reason of being alive is to propagate more life. That’s the fundamental nature of life because without that there would be no life. So if you think that life is worth while, it would be logical that you contribute. Otherwise it would be somewhat selfish. And such a mentality of not wanting to sacrifice one’s freedom in order to be a parent and take on that responsibility comes across as immature.
I don’t think you should have kids if you don’t want to. I’m just explaining why some people find it bad and upsetting that you don’t.not having kids = selfish has got to be in the top 5 dumbest arguments i’ve ever heard, especially considering that kids today and their kids and so on are destined to grow up on a toxic hellscape wasteland planet.
“oh the kids will fix it”
LOL so not having kids = selfish, but having kids so they can fix the problems of the last couple hundred years = generous. got it
and you’re confusing “purpose of life” with biological instinct. yes, all living things from bacteria and viruses on up the evolutionary ladder are hardwired to engage in behavior that results in the passing on of their genes. “purpose” is a cognitive construct invented by philosophers who couldn’t stand being just animals. there’s no formula for it, or even quantifiable evidence that there is such a thing. so my “purpose” is to not have kids
I think it’s always seemed like the world was going to hell. It’s all relative.
I don’t care if you have kids. I don’t really care if humans go extinct. I’m happy to be alive so I’m glad my parents wanted to have kids,
Is this a comment from a virus
Yes
I’m just explaining why some people find it bad and upsetting that you don’t.
that’s a whole fuckin paragraph to say “they’re nosy and entitled” - and it’s absolute garbage. " if you think that life is worth while, it would be logical that you contribute. Otherwise it would be somewhat selfish. " utter fucking garbage. only people adding to the population pressure of OVER 8 BILLION FUCKING HUMANS are worth it? everyone else is selfish?
STOP FOR A MOMENT AND THINK ABOUT WHAT YOU ARE SAYING.
8 BILLION +, AND YOU INSIST THAT MORE ARE NEEDED OTHERWISE IT WOULD BE SOMEWHAT SELFISH?
gotta be a fucking troll
Actually the world population is starting to decline. People have value. I’m not sure what the optimal world population is, but as it goes down it’s going to be painful as demographics shift.
Human population is not declining. The acceleration rate of population increase is decreasing. It’s still going ever faster and faster, just a little less faster than we were. And it’s still an absolutely staggering, incomprehensible population increase.
And then there’s the animal farming to consider. Hey, what happened to the Amazon?
Actually the world population is starting to decline.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Day_of_Eight_Billion
You think it’s starting to decline, the evidence is remaining to be seen.
Talk to me when we hit 7.5bn and we can start to care.
go away
Well I doubt I’ll still be alive when we get back down to 7 billion and are in free fall.
Yes I was wrong when I said population was in decline. The rate of population growth is slowing down, so we can predict a decline starting in like 50 years.
Are asexual people selfish? Are monks who don’t fuck selfish? Are infertile people selfish? Are people who adopt instead of having bio kids selfish? Do none of these people count as “life”? I pronounce you fully ridiculous.
No. Yes. No. No. They all count as life. Yes, I am ridiculous, but not for explaining why people might see those who chose not to have children as selfish.
Irrelevant.
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She’s right in that they are a lot of work, but they’re worth it if you want children in the first place.
It’s all about what you think the work is worth, I guess. Anything in life that you want, and you need to work for, you do the work if you want it badly enough. Pretty simple.
But they can’t choose to be born. Having children is intrinsically a non-consensual act.
That’s not really relevant to the point I’m making but, yeah, it’s not a consensual act to have offspring. Nothing that’s ever been born has chosen to be born. But countless things have been happy they were.
In the words of Stephen Colbert, “It’s a gift to exist.”
Obviously quite dependent on circumstances…
I personally want to work for a world where the choice of having an offspring doesn’t ruin you financially
I see that among my wifes friends and i think its the genuine wish to be at a similar stage in life. To do playdates and shit together.
Misery loves company
Shared suffering is halved suffrring we say haha
… uhhh I would be genuinely distrurbed if all those parents chose to defecate in unison in a ring… but aye consenting adults can all do what they want so I wish them all fun.
/jk
I don’t think I’ll ever have kids precisely because of how much work and responsibility they are. But if I ever have a kid, it would not be mine; this world is too fucked up to bring a new person into, I would instead adopt one of the many kids who need a parent
I heard from a social worker that adoption is kinda the easy way. Foster parenting is harder, as you get more difficult cases. In any way, children need good households to grow up in
If they don’t know anyone who chose differently, then their choice just cannot have been a mistake
what a shit take by the coworkers
imagine thinking somebody accurately assessing a situation and not wanting to be a shitty parent is disappointing
I’ve got a lot less respect for shitty parents and people who don’t think things through
I’ve got a lot less respect for shitty parents and people who don’t think things through
That’s because most people are conformists.
Better to not have kids if you don’t love them.
It wasn’t a loss of respect they sensed, it was envy.
Let me state first that I LOVE my kids and enjoy every second with them.
That being said, if you realized you don’t like having kids after the fact then misery loves company and kids are A LOT of work and expense.
Please, if you realized you don’t like having kids after the fact, do NOT have more after the first! Why so many go on to have more than the one!
i think that if someone is legit mad because you don’t have kids, then it’s not that you don’t have kids, it’s that your extra time and money aren’t thrown out the window, and their “it’s SoOoOoOo worth it, though!!!” is replied to with “of course it is! drinks after work? no? maybe over the weekend? no? just let us know, i guess…”
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I have more respect for that lady than I have for all the people who have kids anyway and then just neglect them.
Misery loves company.
It’s to convince themselves they made the “right” choice by having kids. Because deep down I’m sure there’s a part of them that wished they hadn’t. And when they see another person who actually chose to not have kids, it only reminds them of a life they didn’t get, which upsets them.
I just say the climate is fucked, so having kids is immoral. I can be confrontational as well.
