Can I have 50% of my salary for doing 0% of my work?
that’s what landlords do
False. They get much more than 50%.
And they work hard, it’s not easy thinking of bigger numbers every month /s
Are they discworld trolls per chance?
After following a friend who joined XHS after the initial tiktok ban a year or so ago, I started to notice this trend of Chinese people calling American education “happy education” and I bristled a bit because I didn’t find it all that happy. But as I see more and more people point out things like this, how the No Child Left Behind policy was implemented, how resources are diverted away from actually educating children… I kinda get it.
To be fair, I think the Chinese also have a biased lens here since their school days are like twelve hours long, I’m sure 7 AM to 3 PM seems more like daycare in comparison. But I think there’s some truth in the mockery.
This doesn’t apply to doctoral programs which really just seem like abuse and trauma factories. I don’t know a single happy, well adjusted doctor.
This is by design. MAGA wants kids to be stupid, only stupid people vote MAGA.
“I love the poorly educated” DJT
You are the only person 🧵 that pointed out the fact Grading is authoritarianism, and not education. For education we mentor, assign three tier groups (Highschool, Middle, Elementary), and rate by topics learned, and topics that require improvements. Number go up teaches nothing about “bad people in power abuse your freedom.”
“And if you work hard, maybe you too can get closer to the top of the pile”
COVID fucked up my kids education so badly they are still trying to catch up. They were in 3rd and 4th grade in 2020, so they lost those prime reading comprehension lessons. But at the same time the schools failed to catch the students up and now they are struggling and instead of helping them they just push them along and pass the buck to the next grade.
If your kids are fucked up so badly that they can’t handle the next grade then they shouldn’t be in the next grade. Who cares if they graduate high school at 18, 19, or 20? None of that matters anymore. But you got to be right for your own kids and hold them back if they need to be held back. If you think the school is doing the wrong thing then you got to step in. Don’t just let it happen and complain on the internet.
It is infuriating seeing Parents complain that schools are simultaneously doing too much, and too little for children. Be a Parent, help your kids succeed and stop blaming everyone else for not doing your job for you.
It reminds me of another thread on here from weeks ago where someone made a meme about ignoring their kids when they talk about their interests. What the heck? Why did you have kids just to ignore them?
Be a Parent, help your kids succeed and stop blaming everyone else for not doing your job for you.
When people stop understanding child care and education is everyone’s job societies collapse
They (public school) convinced us that they would take extra time with all the students after COVID. The school was fighting parents trying to hold back their kids. We did change their school to one of the charter schools and they are doing much better.
Yeah of course they’re going to fight because they have rules from no child left behind that say they must graduate children or they don’t get money. But we’re 20 years into that now and parents have to realize this or their children will suffer. It’s a personal family problem now. We can advocate for better public schooling in government and help our kids individually at the same time. Don’t just wait for the system to fix itself before your kids get fixed.
I’m really sorry to hear that. I think a lot of parents are in the same boat, and we’re going to see the effects of it for years.
My son was in 8th grade, he lost prime socialization time. It really pains me to see him struggle to make social connections now.
I think the whole idea of grading kids like they’re show dogs is pretty gross in the first place. “Welcome to the world, kiddo, the first thing you need to learn is that we’re here to judge you, and if you don’t bark on command you will be deemed to be a failure.”
Fuck that shit.
I mean, it’s sort of preparing them for the real world.
Once they finish school it’s not like people won’t immediately start judging them and labelling them as failures if they can’t compete / keep up.
If you don’t change society before changing the school system you aren’t really doing the kids any favours by sheltering them.
School is the real world. It’s just their world, not yours. It’s where they spend a huge fraction of their day and year. School needs to be a livable place regardless of what comes after. “Preparation” if necessary at all, can come at the end or be taught explicitly instead of implicitly.
Who has gone through life not judged on their merits (and a million other things)?
currently have a stack of students’ academic records on my desk, the state of grading in the U.S. is just insane. I hate GPA with a burning passion. Very talented kids burn themselves out over a number that might as well be set arbitrarily, because schools do some very fucky math to inflate their numbers, and they all seem to do the math differently. Why do they do this math? Well, it’s because they’re allergic to giving out grades lower than a C, so their entire scale would cease to function if they didn’t heavily weight different classes over others. It’s like a tower of self-caused problems.
It really should be more standardized, or else schools are just going to find reasons to cook their books.
Remember last year when San Francisco schools were going to adjust their grading scales so much that they could pass students with a D if they scored as low as a 21? Pure insanity. (They fortunately received a lot of backlash and reverted the change)
https://www.newsweek.com/san-francisco-public-schools-equity-homework-2078003
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Meanwhile here in Croatia, some multiple choice tests actually have negative (penalty) points for choosing wrong so you can’t just guess.
I sympathize with this.
As a kid, I’d do the homework, put it in my backpack (thanks to my Mom), yet I’d completely forget to turn it in, despite the whole class getting up to do it, and get a 0%. Turning it in later for ~50% (thanks to sympathetic and confused teachers) saved my butt.
…And yes, I’m definitely neurodivergent.
I’m dealing with this exact situation with my oldest son who has ADHD. He scores great on tests and most assignments but the 0’s kill him. Now that he’s a freshman they are being even more strict about the busy work. He’s getting better but still at risk of not getting credit for one class this year because of a terrible first quarter that he’s having trouble clawing out of even after having a B and A in the following quarters. It was really hard getting him to turn things in regularly and it has nothing to do with him knowing the material, they just give so much damn work outside of school that it overwhelms him and I feel like nobody actually gives a shit about how different his brain works. It’s not like he doesn’t care, the way they deal with it doesn’t accomplish anything besides making him feel worthless and then I have to put in extra duty to combat that along with helping him be successful in ways that work for him. This ignorant meme or tweet or whatever was triggering for me and I was so happy to see your comment as one of the first ones ❤️
Good luck! You sound like an awesome, caring parent just from that.
Let me emphasize this is just my open thought and not a criticism, but in hindsight, what I’d wish I’d done in school is set more reminders.
Post-it notes? Bracelets? Phone alarms, more sophisticated apps? Maybe something auditory if that’s more his thing? Basically I wish I had set up some more structured notification system to beat me in the head. Of course, as a kid, I hated excessive structure, but that’s exactly why I needed it. And it gets more and more needed later in school.
And these days, there seem to be some excellent apps/systems for helping.
It’s not just forgetfulness or procrastination though, like people stereotype with ADD. Sometimes it’s just being “overwhelmed” that leads to a bunch of zeros. This is hard to deal with, and yeah, the “busywork” parts of school don’t help at all.
Thank you! That is exactly the kind of stuff we have worked on, post it’s in his pocket specifically have helped a lot. They were trying to force things at the school that was counter productive for him, like docking him points if he didn’t write all his assignments down in a daily planner and other nonsense that did nothing other than increase his mental load and anxiety. Fortunately he’s really been able to start turning a corner as we’ve worked on coping skills over the years and he knows I’m willing to go to bat for him when the school tries pushing things that make things more challenging for him. It’s like they want a school of little compliant robots rather than taking the time to get to know how the individual kids can be successful. I also realize a lot of that is due to under funding, lack of resources, and checkboxes for federal funding so I don’t blame anyone but all I can do is vote and advocate for my kids.
So if you didn’t study and you’re confident you’ll get less than 50%, it’s better to not show up at all than to attempt the test?
Problem is that the school-to-prison pipeline is a very real thing and kids that are held back or don’t finish school are far more likely to end up in prison than those that finish. The way school systems work in most of the US, the differences in outcomes for those with and without a high school diploma are stark and depressing. Finishing is as important as the education itself.
Read: End of Policing - Alex S. Vitale
It seems like there’s almost certainly a confounding variable here: the kids who are likely to engage in criminality are also the ones most likely to do poorly in school, skip classes, and be held back.
It’s more correlation than causal - for the same reason that we couldn’t just give every student straight A’s and expect them to have similar outcomes as students who would have otherwise earned straight A’s.
Working backwards like that is like trying to help someone lose weight by tweaking their scale to always show a healthy BMI.
It seems like there’s almost certainly a confounding variable here: the kids who are likely to engage in criminality are also the ones most likely to do poorly in school, skip classes, and be held back.
You’re conclusion doesn’t follow. Case in point: kids who are kicked out of school are more likely to become criminals because they are children and have potentially lost the only thing remaining in their lives that kept them on any path of any kind. And they don’t have to start dealing drugs and robbing people with all the extra time they have. A kid who has dropped out or been expelled can still be charged with truancy in most jurisdictions, and their parents charged with the same crime and fined (up to $1,000 in many places). An underage child can be taken from their parents based on truancy violations alone. Then there’s loitering, trespassing, panhandling, and a whole mess of other non-violent offenses that give a high school-aged child a criminal record.
A person isn’t a criminal until they’ve committed a crime. They aren’t a convict until they’ve been found guilty of crime. Most of the kids being expelled, suspended, sent to Alternative Learning “SuperMAX” Centers are non-violent offenders. They are put out because they can’t behave.
The argument from here is often that we have to put the undesirables somewhere. After all, it’s not fair to sacrifice the education of the other, well-behaved students. I agree. I also assume that most people would want to help these children. On that assumption, I’ll finish this post with two bits of info:
- COPS In Schools (CIS) was created after the Columbine shootings. The grant appropriated $750-million to hiring police offers (School Resource Officers or SROs) for placement in schools. Despite their fancy title, these are police officers and they can and do, at a frightening rate, arrest children.
- In 2022, a bipartisan bill, the 2022 Bipartisan Safe Communities Act, was enacted. It granted $1-billion dollars to the nationwide development of mental health resources (counselors, social workers, programs) in schools, and the entire country rejoiced. In 2024, the Trump admin cut the grant because of DEI.
We’ve chosen to police children instead of help them.
Don’t get me wrong, I’m not talking about punishment for behavioral issues or expelling students. What I’m suggesting is that the logic of grades determining behavioral issues is flawed, and it’s far more likely that both the behavioral issues and poor grades are symptoms of something else.
I’m saying that throwing out the legitimacy of our metrics by fudging the numbers for these students is not the right approach and is in fact a disservice to them.
Now ask, what a student should get, who did their assignment but only got 30%!
The purpose of a class is to instill a specific set of knowledge and skills.
The purpose of an assignment is to provide the student with sufficient pressure to study the expected knowledge, and practice the expected skills. The assignment is the pressure to learn; it is not evidence of learning.
To the student who has achieved mastery of that knowledge and skillset prior to completing the class, an assignment has no valid purpose. For such a student, the assignment is busywork, and serves only to distract the student from further study.
If your grading style does not allow for a student to demonstrate mastery and refuse busywork assignments, your grading is a problem.
A student with test scores equal or better than the class average does not deserve to fail your class for having refused assignments.
A student who ritualistically completes all of their homework assignments with excellent marks, but is entirely unable to pass a test on the subject matter, is a student who has failed your class.
Personally, I think a UBI-based society can do education better. Everyone should receive a UBI income by default, but working a job or being educated will replace the UBI with a larger amount of money. Grades for learning boosts income based on how good they are. An S-Grade student gets twice of what UBI brings in. ‘Real’ jobs start at twice the value of the S-grade student.
This means that students can go to college and get paid for it. While the prospect of the workplace can be alluring in a fiscal sense, a college student can stay in college for as long as they need to git good, to be fulfilled, or simply to pass time while waiting for a decent job opening. They aren’t held hostage by debts.
Kids also get paid for their grades. This encourages them to learn, because there are material rewards for doing so.
IMO, fiscal responsibility is a skill that is learned, and in America, we don’t teach kids how to handle money. Instead, they get the bulk of their fiscal learning when it is almost time to be kicked out of the nest. Which is dumb.
Ok but if the government is spending all that money on its own citizens then how are they going to fund their hobby of blowing up brown people on the other side of the planet?
Make the brown people pay for it?
the politicians will also get UBI. Maybe they can pool their funds together and get the party started
People gotta think about these things! Is a happy, supported, educated populace going to get the DOW over 50,000??? Unlikely.
I long for a society where education, housing, medical care and food are structured for the people instead of the profit. Where education helps sort people into the work they’re suited for. Where housing is something no one does without. Where medical care is fully free. Where food is food instead of fillers, nutrition instead of chemical design, and feeds people over profit.
I had a math teacher that would assign 100+ long division problems every night and then give you a 0 if you skipped more than 3 of them.
That’s horrible. Especially since I guarantee you and everyone else in that class had it down after the first 50 problems.
It astounds me how many teachers honestly think that teaching/learning is about drills, rote memorization, and slavishly grinding away to get results. While I have no doubt that some people absolutely need to do this in order to get things to stick, I think it under-estimates the intelligence of most kids in the classroom. I would argue it’s not exactly learning and more like programming.
For instance, I can recall “the mitochondria is the powerhouse of the cell” like some kind of Manchurian Candidate sleeper-agent. But that tells me nothing about how that organelle metabolizes ATP to fuel other activities, what happens when it breaks down, and so on. Memorization and drills are great for algorithms, formulas, and basic foundational things. But the real learning happens in other ways.
Yeah, my test scores were good, not perfect because I lost a lot of points due to penmanship, but good. More than enough to demonstrate that I understood the material. My grades were bad from not doing the homework. I had 2 study periods every day and whatever I couldn’t get done in that time wasn’t getting done. I didn’t care, I had better things to do after school. Having more than 2 hours of homework a day is totally unreasonable.
I ended up getting put in the remedial math classes the next two years because of her. Which ended up being kind of okay because basically all the hot girls were in there with me and I was good at math so they had reason to talk to me for help. So in the end I still won lol.
That’s cruel!
Yeah that lady was a real bitch.
