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  • You can seem reasonable and rational when you distinguish between your opponent’s truths and your opponent’s lies. John McCain earned a lot of respect when he rejected an attack on Obama and pointed out that Obama was a decent person and family man who merely disagreed with McCain on some political issues.

    If you don’t want your opponent to appear reasonable and rational, don’t give them opportunity. Lie about everything, all the time. Lie when the truth sounds better. Lie so much that they never have the opportunity to do anything except call you a liar. Lie so much that your opponent loses credibility every time they rebut one of your lies.

    Related: Gish Gallop














  • You’re assuming that literally every workplace is a surveillance panopticon.

    Relative to the degree of surveillance possible when the sabotage handbook was written, “every” workplace is, indeed, a surveillance panopticon.

    We have developed and propagated a wide variety of tools for identifying, tracking, and eliminating the kind of production inefficiencies contemplated by the Simple Sabotage manual. The degree of accountability a modern worker faces is several orders of magnitude greater than that of the 1940’s worker. Even the smallest businesses now have access to logistical and accounting systems and services that couldn’t possibly exist back then.

    I didn’t “assume” this level of surveillance. That degree of surveillance is a simple fact.


  • Never worked in a motor pool or warehouse, i see

    Both, actually.

    This discussion stems from these comments:

    What if i stayed, acting like i worked but not really doing anything? Blocking a Nazis spot, taking my salary out of their budget. Maybe even sabotaging. Lets all do that, collectively. Covering eachother by telling how good a job we are doing and so on…

    and

    he Simple Sabotage Field Manual actually has a lot of recommendations for this. Here’s a part of it, just to give you an idea (in a spoiler block because it’s loooooong)

    The premise here is “keep going to work, but do more harm than good”. If you get caught, you fail. If you get fired, you fail. If you are unable to cause greater harm than you produce, you fail. Meanwhile, the value of your labor (the job you have to keep doing to maintain your cover) is 6 to 10 times more valuable than that of your great grandfather. You’re producing 6 to 10 times as much as him; you need to be able to negate a commensurate amount of production, and you need to do it in a much more closely supervised environment. You have to do far more to look like a good employee, and in doing so, you’re setting the example for other workers to also look good at their jobs.

    Sure, anyone can overtly sabotage a motor pool or warehouse and cause damage far in excess of a worker’s productivity. But that breaks the premise of the discussion. We aren’t talking about overt. We are talking about covert acts. We are talking about a long-term inside job.

    The kind of sabotage conceived of in the Simple Sabotage Field Manual is a pipe dream 80 years later. It is not feasible. The harm a typical worker can expect to cause a modern enemy is a fraction of the productivity that enemy can continue to extract from that worker.




  • You brought the guillotine into it, not I. I said nothing of the sort. You conflated “responsibility” with “deserving of the guillotine”. I did not. I did not speak of punishment at all.

    My point was and is that Hitler and Trump can’t do a thing without the support of the populace. Hitler didn’t build an oven. He never stacked a brick. He never set a rivet in a V2 missile. He never scrubbed a toilet for anyone who did. Each of these individual tasks was trivial; the sum total of all those trivialities was the Holocaust.

    Do not let yourself believe that your own trivial contribution to fascism is meaningless. Take personal responsibility for your actions. “I was just trying to get by” is condemnation, not absolution.


  • So you’re more responsible?

    Yep! “I” being the entire consumer class that created all of the billionaires. I feel I was pretty clear about that. You were well aware of that when you suggested that “I” should face the guillotine. That was your dishonesty.

    Hitler had no power without the support of the German people. “But he was a dictator!” Dictators have no power without the support of the people. When the people laugh at him and call him an idiot, he’s not a dictator. He’s just some random dickhead yelling at the clouds. He was only a dictator because people followed his dictates.

    Your argument was that Hitler’s janitor wasn’t responsible for the holocaust; that his Nazi role was trivial. The sum totality of all those “trivial” Nazi roles is what gave us the holocaust.