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Yeah America is getting cooked for the next couple decades at least. Even if Trump literally dies tomorrow and his successor backs out no one is trusting them for a long time.
That’s fine. If that’s what it takes to help the Americans get their predatory elites onto a tighter leash, that’ll be worth it.
Foreigner here. I know you civilians don’t control the government anymore & many of us see your hands are tied, but if Americans really want to stop wars, then stop enlisting in any branch of your military except the coast guard. Every other branch is primarily used for invasion. If you’ve already enrolled/are trapped by the military, try to become a conscientious objector.
And FFS, arm yourselves (civilians) to the teeth. The tyrannical government your Founding Fathers envisioned has arrived.
Having only people who are willing to do atrocities in the military is not going to magically make it better lmfao, nor will it stop it
Given the fact that the navy were quite happy to kill a bunch of unarmed civilians and then come back a second time when some of them didn’t appear to be dead enough, doesn’t give me a lot of hope that there’ll be a lot of conscientious objectors in the military. My view is that if you’re already looking at the military as a career option you’ve got a certain opinion about killing and that opinion is that it’s okay to do it as long as someone else gave you the order. Absolutely no need to think about the legality of the order either.
Advocating moral responsibility for your actions is kind of a prerequisite of military service.
Some of these comments are awful. Apparently, if we all aren’t wrapping ourselves and children with explosives and becoming Jihadists overnight, we’re not doing enough.
This is a class war. The rich have taken over all the checks and balances in our system to where they can break every rule and comfortably get away with it; all the while getting richer and us poorer. We’re powerless and spread too thin geographically to do anything meaningful. Maybe we do need to get that radical, but I really hope it doesn’t ever need to get to that point.
Ok but there is quite a way between going oh I don’t like what’s happening on social media and blowing yourself up.
Write to your representatives and make it extremely clear that if they want to be reelected they will stand up to Trump.
Massive protests, the No Kings protest were good but then you all kind of just gave up. Nothing violent but just a stubborn refusal to go along is all that is required. Boycott companies that support Trump, don’t buy the next iPhone (it’s basically the same phone every year anyway), don’t go to FIFA, don’t go to the Olympics, go to as many town meetings as you can and raise points of order and complain. Make it even possible for the powers that be to ignore the situation.
Just imagine you’re a French dock worker complaining about industrialisation.
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Nobody is blaming you for what Trump is doing. Nobody is asking you to become terrorists and this hyperbole is extremely unhelpful. We are blaming you for the fact that we’re not seeing protests every day that make the BLM protests seem like small gatherings. You guys are way past the point of being able to hope. Do something today. This is your country, so it’s your responsibility.
We are blaming you for the fact that we’re not seeing protests every day…
This is just not possible and the rich are banking on that. It would have to become much much worse before people will risk their own employment, access to medical benefits, and personal security so that we can march.
It’s easy to suggest those things but in reality it’s just not going to happen.
People in far worse circumstances than Americans got out in the streets and forced change.
The time to act is now, not in the future when they’re even more entrenched.
Sure, but name one that is as big and spread out like the US? We are unique in that regard.
Here are concrete steps we can take to combat this (the titles below expand if you click them).
Learn First Aid! ⛑️
The future us likely to be violent, and It extremely important to have the skills to be able to keep yourself and others alive if they get hurt. You can never have too many medics.
Tacticool Girlfriend provides a great introduction to building a personal first aid kit, called an IFAK, which can deal with things like bullet wounds and other serious bleeding wounds. I also want to emphasize her recommendation of only buying medical gear from reputable sources (not Amazon!), such as North American Rescue to avoid fakes that could cost you your life.
But you’ll need to learn how to use that equipment, too. The best resource for that is to take a local Stop The Bleed class, which are pretty widely available in most places. They may cost a small fee, but can also sometimes be free. Alternatively, if you cannot access a local class, this video by PrepMedic will give you a solid understanding of how to use Tourniquets and Gauze for wound packing.
Injuries are less harmful if they are tended to early. Learning first aid can help conserve resources when healthcare becomes unaffordable. Having several medics in case of harm by police is an extremely powerful morale booster during a protest that may become a police riot. When you become comfortable with the basics of first aid, riot medicine is the next suggested step.
Establish or join local Mutual Aid networks ✊
If you haven’t already, get to know your neighbors. Mutual aid is a willingness to support and grow your community. This can include informal networks through friends, tenant/renter organizations, solidarity groups, and industrial unions.
These are groups using direct action to solve each other’s problems. Building strong communities makes it difficult for fascism to take root. The actions of the government are going to hit every community hard, and the ones who build trust in each other and work together are most likely to survive. We’ve been building a list of resources in !inperson@slrpnk.net to help you on your way. Also check out this handy guide to find existing groups in your area.
This isn’t only for your own community protection. Your ability to organize today will change the political landscape tomorrow. When revolution occurs, the social organizations that show the greatest resilience through the regime are the ones typically calling the shots when the dust settles. When it comes to elections, get out the vote drives are useless if most of the voters are fascists. At some point, you have to do grassroots political education if you don’t want fascist candidates winning elections. Mutual aid networks are excellent forums not only for teaching each other good political ideas, but demonstrating them in practice.
Join a Union and Prepare for a General Strike! 💪
The most effective non-violent action we can take is preparing and organizing for a General Strike.
The country would be brought to its knees if suddenly deprived of profit and labor. That tactic was extremely effective in Chile in 2019, and had they not fallen for the trick of liberal reform, they would’ve had a successful revolution on their hands with virtually no bloodshed.
If you aren’t in a union (or even if you are, it’s worth dual-carding), consider joining the IWW to unionize your workplace (bonus: you’ll get higher wages, better benefits, and more time off if you succeed!) to strengthen a general strike if we manage to enact one, as most unions have a strike fund that can supplement your income during a general strike to make it more financially bearable (you should also save as much money as you can reasonably do, so it can also be used to keep yourself afloat during a strike).
And for our international friends, you should join one as well, as fascism is gaining momentum globally. If your country isn’t listed below, just contact the IWW directly in the link above, and they’ll help you set up a new local branch.
Adopt Security Culture and Digital Camouflage 🛡️
Sometimes benign seeming efforts can turn into unexpected personal data collecting traps. Like an obscure website for exchanging contact info with other students turning into a global ad-tech surveillance network (Facebook), or innocent seeming online personality tests being use to harvest character profiles. Even Etsy, Reddit, Tinder, and Duolingo are feeding information to US Government Agencies like ICE.
Security culture is commonly used to describe the general awareness of such potential traps and how it can affect groups or entire communities. This goes beyond mere individual privacy efforts, as without joint efforts these often fail to work.
Especially in activist circles, security culture is paramount. For opsec reasons not everyone in the group might be aware of what clandestine efforts others are involved in, but with a general security culture many potential data leaks can be avoided.
Movements are made by the volume of their participants, and the easier and less dangerous it is to participate, the more people will get involved. As more people get involved, individual involvement becomes even less dangerous, creating a virtuous cycle.
We’ll start it off with some General Advice:
- Mentally wall off personal uniquely identifying info from your online presence, actively build a habit of opsec so that withholding information is your default mental state
- Be careful about who you meet online
- Use different, unrelated usernames, passwords & emails for every account. And try not to connect to those accounts with your real IP address (use Tor or a VPN)
- Be mindful that anything done online leaves a trail
- agents provocateurs may seek to find patsies willing to perform an ill-advised illegal activity in order to legitimize police repression. If someone is trying to pressure you, especially if you don’t have a long and proven history with them, be extremely wary.
For a full guide on what encrypted communications platforms to use, and how to stay off the radar, read the Digital Camouflage section within the Monthly Meta post here (you’ll need to scroll down. I’d add it here, but it won’t fit in this comment).
Those Epstein files must be absolutely fucking insane for Donny.
…except Epstein files are the distraction.
Maybe the Epstein files were the friends we made along the way.
It’s not just insane for him… pretty much all of the political power of the Middle East is also in those files. It has a reach that goes beyond borders of the US so they’re actually scared about what will happen when Tamim bin Hamad Al Thani, Muhammad bin Nayef, Netanyahu, etc all show up in pictures and financial records.
It’s the entire worlds power more likely.
Ya, you’re probably right
We got <1% of the files, heavily redacted and it was still fucking wild. I cannot imagine how batshit fucking crazy the actual files are
What if Q was someone deeply embedded in the Epstein shit, but also a right-wing fascist so they just spun it all as Democrats doing all the evil shit?
This is what i think is close to the truth because I was there at the beginning of pizza gate. The story now is completely different. It started with a republican owned pizza place that had a basement and everything. Then all of a sudden it’s comet over here! And look at this! A crazy has shown up to shoot! Oh now you’re the asshole if you bring up that conspiracy!
Fucking convenient that shit was. That was before Q too.
(Oh this was before/during the clear /r/conspiracy shift/takeover of the right wing) ahhhhhh they now you sound crazy if you talk about it. Fuck em.
Sounds like you’re describing the whole “every accusation is a confession…” projection shit that the GOP has been doing for 40 years.
We know who Q is. It’s Ron Watkins.
Probably like even worse than the Sasha Riley accusations.
The orange thing must’ve raped loads of children to go to these lengths to distract from it all.
There was a tip line call about him being present for the execution of his own bastard newborn and then discarding it into a lake. I mean yeah that’s not evidence but who makes that shit up? Knowing that he was putting girls into those kinds of situations etc and then calls the FBI tip line with it?
Like, you really gonna call them up with a lie about the one of the most prominent people in American society? How do you think that’s gonna go for you?
So, yeah my conclusion is that there is stuff in there that would make rotten.com look tame.
The thing is, in the current US i don’t see him being affected by it no matter how horrific the contents are
Donald Trump is America’s Jimmy Savile.
so hot they’re literally on fire right now.
As a Canadian, I can send maybe a .22 break-barrel pellet rifle. Best I can do.
You’re next for Donald.
Unfortunately I’m thinking this means they have some kind of info that a credible attack is imminent. Fuck.
Easy - I’m danish and the PM from both Denmark and Greenland just said, that they can’t rule out an armed attack, but only because the US doesn’t rule it out. Very different from telling people to prepare for an invasion.
Clickbait strikes again?
This brings back memories about when Russia was about to attack Ukraine.
Good thing Genocide Joe was stopped
That wasn’t one of the reasons that a bunch of absolute fucking morons didn’t vote.
If the usa was gonna come crashing down, the earlier the better
Dear Americans, go fuck yourselves.
Even if you didn’t vote for this imbecile child, nobody cares. You’re all in this shit together!
We are sick and tired of your excuses.
This is your president and this is your country behaving like this.
As a Native American whose citizenship is being argued against in the Supreme Court, whose people have been fighting against the invasion of white people from Europe for centuries and only got the right to vote in 1975: go fuck yourself.
This seems as ignorant as the parent comment. Just like they ignored the native population, you’re ignoring whole countries full of white peoples who did not partake in any form of colonialism.
*whose citizenship / whose people
DAMNIT! I am going to blame autocorrect.
Native American who’s citizenship is being argued against in the Supreme Court
You should go back to your home country or something like that. /s
What fault of ours is the invasion of your country by other white people from Europe hundreds of years ago? Our ancestors were the ones who stayed in Europe
Edit: a lot of people seemed to have found the downvote button, but no one seems to have found the answer.
Edit #2: still more downvotes, but nobody has answered my question, just some comments about colonialism and my stupidity.
People are entirely missing the point: why should a grudge against some random other white people that have nothing to do with us stop you from rising up against this white person? Why should we go fuck ourselves because of that? Wake up and do something and stop making excuses.
No one is saying it’s your fault dumbass we’re saying not to blame people being targeted by the fucking Nazis in the USA for this mess. Would you blame the Jewish, Romani, and queer people that got targeted by Nazis for WW2? Think before you comment.
No you idiot I’m talking about the part that we are told to go fuck ourselves because of the invasion of white people into America. Of course I wouldn’t blame Jewish people for WW2, but telling people to go fuck themselves because some other random ass people invaded your country 100s of years ago is moronic.
You guys still have the power to rise up but are making all kinds of excuses so you don’t have to. A Native American person is still perfectly capable of protesting against this regime.
Don’t compare yourselves to the Jewish people in WW2 because things that happened in the camps and on the streets there are far, far worse. Comparing what’s happening in America right now to those atrocities is beyond dumb. Think before you fucking comment.
Moreover, it’s not a europe problem it’s a class problem. It wasn’t the builders, gardeners, and plumbers of Europe deciding to subjugate the world. It was the oligarchs. They were squeezing all they could out of Europe and it wasn’t enough for them. So they dressed it up as duty to the country/religion to expand, but it was a way of enriching themselves.
Many Scottish crofters were also forced off their land during the sheep clearances when the lairds figured out that removing the population and replacing them with sheep was more profitable. They would either buy up the land and evict the crofters or charge them for fabricated crimes and send them to Australia. The place I grew up has a population of around 10% of what it should be because of this practice (that’s after steady growth in the last few decades).
It’s also worth mentioning that a lot of the settlers from Scotland who joined the Hudson Bay company for example, did so because they couldn’t earn enough to survive at home. Both because of taxes from the lairds and low wages.
So yes Europeans moved to America, but for most of them it was a matter of survival, not greed.
I keep seeing so many people saying to hell with all Americans, no matter who, and I feel like this best counters that sentiment. Those in power would love to see us bicker and fight each other over nationality while they reap in the riches. In reality, we’re all on the same side against the oligarchs. We’ve all been fucked over by the rich.
There is no war but the class war. Stand together and unite.
Ah yes I see European solidarity is alive and well. No chance you’ll ever have fascism again over there with statements like that. Truly a bastion of the brightest and best ideals of humanity.
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^ This is what colonialism looks like, yt people
YouTube people?
^This is what stupidity looks like
Colonialism? Are you serious? Or seriously out of your mind? Just because some random ass people who happened to come from my country went to another country I have to take “go fuck yourself” from an American who won’t do anything about Trump and get called a colonialist on top of that?
F that
Oooooo what country are you from so we can all cast our judgements?
A country with a horrible colonial past, as all European countries
Dude, not every country in Europe was a colonial power
your willful ignorance towards the indigenous is moreso what im referring to
Where am I denying or showing ignorance towards any of it?
You unknowingly told all indigenous people to go fuck themselves. An indigenous person told you that they are struggling and to go fuck yourself. You got your panties twisted and instead of saying " my bad, I agree you guys aint the problem" you doubled down.
Your mindset is one of willful ignorance towards the plight of the indigenous people of the americas. It is a colonizers mindset. Your ignorance towards them makes you feel comfortable looping them in with all the european immigrants that came over and their offspring without a second thought.
Dude, calm down. I know all of this is anxiety inducing. Americans are dealing with a lot of shit in their own country too. Our energy is better spent on encouraging Americans to keep protesting and resisting.
To be honest the time for protesting and resisting was about 10 years ago. Once they’re done weeding out undesirables over appearances they’ll go for ideologies and values soon.
Yeah but they aren’t. Once a quarter getting together to wave signs isn’t protesting. They aren’t resisting. Look to almost every other country to see what actual protests are. What actual resistance is.
Permits to hold a rally with signs isn’t it.
Yeah but they aren’t.
That’s some confidently incorrect shit right there.
How the fuck do you know what’s happening or not happening when media refuses to cover it, or worse, does cover it but downplays it in such a way that thousands of people showing up turns into “some protesting occurred today in downtown Minneapolis.”
Actual resistance is what got the National Guard ordered out of LA, Portland, and Chicago, and why ICE is increasingly departing Minneapolis proper for places further out in more rural Minnesota. But you don’t know that, because you’re sopping up headlines and nothing else, if that much.
Look to almost every other country to see what actual protests are. What actual resistance is.
At this point, all I have to do is look past you and at my neighbors and fellow citizens: we know what we’re up against in ways that are clearly over your own head, and we’re showing up. We don’t need your discouragement and ignorance but if that’s all you have, that’s all you have.
Ok bud. If you think you’re doing enough to fight fascism by holding a sign, good for you.
Your elected government has 42% approval rating.
Your opposition party has posted a few memes.
There has been lots of strongly worded letters.
No one can come to save you. If you think you’re doing enough, i support you.
Hopefully your demonstrating will finally end the fascist regime.
I know what id do if it happened in my country.
Yes we are. The news just doesn’t report on it.
Until they go on a nationwide general strike, sustained until it reaches its objective, they are condoning the administration
As an American who didn’t vote for him, I understand your anger. I feel it too but there are still genuinely good caring people here who do not agree with this monster. Please don’t hold it against all of us.
I’m Danish and I refuse to make this about nationality. I’ve had an immeasurable amount of American friends over the years. I’ve loved your music, your company, your viewpoints, your stories - and I’ve had nothing but respect for you. I’ve been on American social media with you for decades. I’ve laughed at the same jokes as you. I speak your language, I sing your songs, I share an incredible amount of your culture. We learned to celebrate Halloween from you. We wear your clothes. We are your friends.
This is where you’d expect to see a “but”, but there is no “but”. I just wanted to say this, because I refuse to be divided by national borders. The America I see now, is not the America I grew up with. And now I’m fucking crying. It feels like losing a good friend, to some sort of neurological illness. We will always share your values. Not MAGA values, but OUR values.
Fuck, now I’m crying too. I’ve lost friends and family to this mental illness. There is much to mourn. The values that you and I share are not the values of the Americans who wield national power right now, nor their cult. Many of us are fighting for our values over here. And your unconditional message of friendship means so much. Thank you. I feel the same way. Fuck the imaginary lines on the map. I pledge allegiance to YOU, and to any other individual, wherever they are, who believes in basic human decency: honesty, respect, compassion, non-aggression… against the psychopaths who don’t.
Your friends are still here, but they’re not in charge. Violent, armed bullies have taken over and are driving this country - with the rest of us in it - off a cliff. They aren’t just invading Greenland, they’re invading us. Our homes, our schools, our workplaces, our courts, all invaded. The authorities we armed and entrusted to uphold the law have seen their opportunity to go mask-off and support fascism. Your friends here are outclassed, outgunned, and oppressed.
Remember that America isn’t a monolith. If you were to put a bullet in the head of every US soldier to set foot on Greenland, we will celebrate your victory. Because we care about humanity, and our armed forces have given theirs up to fulfill a hateful dream. They’ve made their decision and deserve whatever’s coming to them.
Thank you. Borders are stupid, we are all humans and we only have one floating rock. Also, I love the Danes I’ve met.
Thanks.
And reading the stories of ICE is absolutely terrifying to us too. We are reaching a point where democrats may be forced to consider their 2nd amendment rights.
Democrats would have to effectively organize and train in a large enough group to not just be instantly wiped out or imprisoned as “insurrectionists”. Technically it would be an insurrection, but with some outside help or military backing it could turn into a coup.
Does the rest of the world want a destabilized civil warring nuclear state? It’s not likely to stay contained even in the western hemisphere.
The European aristocracy was “absolutely gleeful in pronouncing the American debacle as proof that the entire experiment in popular government had failed. European government leaders welcomed the fragmentation of the ascendant American Republic.”[134]
History rhyming again I guess.
Take that feeling like losing a good friend, and now imagine it’s your own mind you’re losing. Everything you held close and understood is upside down. It’s disorienting, because they (fascist regime) intended it to be disorienting to paralyze any organized effective response.
I miss the America I grew up in. 80s were amazing. Like 1996-2010 felt so hopeful, bush years were bad an helped enable alot of what is happening now but I’d gladly take him over what we have now
Agreed. It definitely feels like we’re losing a good friend. Signed Norwegian dude
In any war there are soldiers who don’t wanna be there. Good, honest people, forced to march on because their masters will it.
If they come for my country I will have to shoot them nonetheless.
Take this motherfucker down by any political means necessary and if you can’t, then form your “well regulated militia” that your all too precious 2nd amendment affords you and take back your own country instead of others
As an American, l say that any soldiers that willingly take part in this invasion, even in a support role, are NOT “good honest people”. They are traitors following illegal orders. I fully support you defending your country with lethal force if it comes to that.
I wish that I had more power to stop this, but I don’t. Do what you have to do, and don’t feel guilty about it. Give us the hell we deserve.
Isn’t every invasion like that?
Propaganda machine tells you the enemy is the worst ever, so children pick up the guns and march into death.
Your government is threatening to invade its allies! Our countrymen died fighting side by side with your military in your misguided wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.
We don’t have the patience and time to distinguish between good and evil Americans anymore. As long as your country keeps acting like this you’re all guilty!
Please read up about collective German guilt a term coined by the US when your country was still on the right side of history.
Our countrymen died fighting side by side with your military in your misguided wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.
I really wish NATO nations would have criticized those wars, instead of knowingly sending their troops to die in wars based on lies.
Americans spout all about needing their guns to stop a tyrannical government and then a tyrannical governmnet comes along and they don’t take their guns into the streets to stop it.
The venn diagram of Americans who think they need guns to stop a tyrannical government and Americans who support Trump is a circle.
(All kidding aside, while this is still painfully close to true, there are signs it’s changing, such as the recent resurgence of the Black Panthers. However by and large the people who are horrified over the pain and suffering inflicted by the Trump administration are also anti-gun on account of all the pain and suffering they cause. The peaceful, anti-violence, anti-war types are not exactly well equipped–literally or figuratively–to stage an uprising against the government, certainly not one with a military budget the size of Mt Everest)
Because the people afraid of a tyrannical government started supporting the tyrannical. Not to say I hate or am against guns but to think a yokel was going to make a difference in a country this big is absurd. The police are a military force themselves.
I often wonder if the Oklahoma City bombing would happen today by Tim Mcveigh. I mean this is literally the government they feared it’s just that they are targeting the people they hate so they don’t care. If it was the other way around it def would. And Oklahoma has embraced his ideas hell they might have shut down the FBI office in the last few years.
What am I or we supposed to do? The majority of us are broke. I don’t have money to travel to a blue state right now to help resist.
I have a family I very much love and a daughter I want to watch grow up. I know others are losing their ability to be with their families but I’m not putting that at risk unless I absolutely have to and if it was going to make a difference
Was that coined before or after we invited all the nazis here to help with with space program?
Than maybe its time to take some good and caring actions? It’s not enought to see it and be bothered by it.
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What comic is this?
Superman black white and blue (eddit: or maybe red? )
The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.
And now you understand what we Germans feel when Americans ask what our ancestors did during the 1930s and 40s.
Just wanted to say - no idea what’s going on in the comments, don’t take it too hard. People are angry. Just as I would not condemn every Russian because Putin is a giant asshole, I wouldn’t condemn every US american. Especially not those in the fediverse - it’s likely you suffer as well under your dictator.
It’s hard to make that distinction. Even in Germany under the jackboot of National Socialism there were still good people, some even dared to take action while others dragged their feet as much as possible without endangering themselves and their loved ones. This is where the difference between guilt and responsibility arises. In my opinion not all US Americans are guilty, just like not all Germans were, yet all US Americans share a responsibility to rid themselves of their political polarisation and the hatred at its root, just like the good people of Germany managed to do in the decades after the war.
I agree. However one can address this responsibility in many ways, depending on ones skills and situation in life. Telling people to just go out on the streets and overthrow the government or get rid of their leaders is an easy appeal, but not everybody is able to translate that into action. Caring for yourself, for your family, your neighbors and your community is what most people care for in the first place. In hindsight it’s always easy to say you would have joined the resistance. Many young Germans today would claim they would have prevented the rise of the Nazis, but I doubt very many of them would have done so.
I’m absolutely with you on that point. The primary concern for the vast majority of people will always be for themselves and their loved ones. It’s the reason fatalistic compliance is so common in dictatorships. I’m convinced that in most countries, including modern day Germany and the modern day United States, people can be led into fatalistic compliance. In France on the other hand I wouldn’t be so certain. Imagine a scenario in which Marine or one of her stooges wins the presidential elections and tries to pull off the same march into fascism as we’re currently seeing from the party formerly known as the Republicans, there would be a general strike and major upheaval in no time.
I don’t condemn every Russian because Putin is a giant asshole, I condemn them because they’re content to “stay out of politics” and let Putin use their country to commit atrocities against their innocent neighbours. I condemn all of those who haven’t taken at least the same risks and efforts that their neighbours are forced to take to defend themselves.
I understand that there are a lot of Americans who did not vote for him or support his actions. But he’s your monster. You need to deal with him.
If you do nothing and stand back while he invades other countries and force them to fight the battles you won’t, then you are neither a good nor caring person.
We know there are lots of great Americans. The world needs you to get off your asses and fix your shit.
Please don’t hold it against all of us.
Sorry, running out of sympathy here. All my life Americans have talked a big game about how anti-tyrant they are, how their democracy is so wonderful and in the event that it fails they’ve got their precious guns to go set things right. Land of the free, home of the brave.
You don’t get to talk that big game and then flip over to “please don’t hold it against us!” Without getting called on it. I keep seeing Americans begging for other countries to come in and “save” them. Isn’t that the problem? Sort your own problems out. The only thing the rest of the world is obligated to do is keep you contained.
Blah blah blah.
Good caring people that allow bad things to continue to happen are not good people
What realistic actions do you expect an average American who opposes Trump to take?
They expect us all to commit suicide by cop but don’t want to come out and say it. If we haven’t died yet, we haven’t done enough.
I think most genuinely don’t understand what it’s like living in a country the size of a continent, with hundreds of millions of people scattered all over, with a heavily militarized police force that has been trained to see anyone but themselves as a threat, surrounded by a significant portion of the population that would love the opportunity to murder you without legal consequences and the tools to do so, with your healthcare, shelter, food, and basically everything tied to your employment that could end on a whim, in a system designed to keep you perpetually exhausted so you can’t even begin to imagine a world where you are fairly treated, let alone have the energy to fight for it in any meaningful way.
I mean most Europeans live in countries the size of a single state, with relatively high population densities (comparatively speaking). “Americans think 100 years is a long time, Europeans think 100km is a long distance” and all that. I’ve traveled daily for work what some of my UK friends won’t travel to see family on holidays. The US is insanelt large, and any sort of organization is already an uphill battle from that alone. Get into the fact that most people can’t take a day off work without risking their livelihoods, and that opposition is armed and begging to be let loose, and protesting alone is hard to do.
Historically, any left-leaning organization that arms themselves gets heavily targeted by the Alphabet Squad (FBI, NSA, BATFE, etc) and individuals get harassed and tossed into prisons for the smallest infractions simply due to association with the leftist group.
Anyone who doesn’t look at the history of government opposition in the US when they demand action, all while saying we aren’t doing enough because protesting isn’t enough, is (hopefully ignorantly) telling you to go kill yourself.
Yup, that’s the only option. One desperate inflatable frog suit charge into a hail of bullets.
General strike, demonstrations where they can’t be ignored, organised resistance, organised campaigning, even striking in solidarity with others.
Oh. You’re all struggling too much to be able to do that?
That’s you being oppressed, and you could organise against that: you could organise war chests for striking, unionise to regain rights, vote or campaign for actual peoples representation rather than corporate such, build resilient communities, picket biased media, organise or join collective action, prosecute and pressure corrupt politicians, counter lobbies, educating yourself and others, etc.
Gather neighbours, save funds, support eachother, resist where you can and coordinate with others to have a greater impact.
But most aren’t going to, cus there’s always someone else to blame, someone else that should save the day. And while you’re passing blame, the fascists consolidate, divide and terrorise, both your domestic neighbours and international friends. Leaving you more vulnerable, more isolated, and with less and less support to resist or survive.
The French would have general striked and yellow vested the country to a grinding halt by now. Folks in the United States either lack the courage or confidence or interests or all of the above combined.
I don’t think a lot of people realize how big the US is. Organizing a group of a size enough to actually make a difference takes time.
I’ve spent a lot of time in the US for work about a decade ago, mostly in the midwest. I’m fully aware of the spread out nature of the country. Even “cities” often feel like a patchwork of suburbs outside of the urban core and population density is generally quite low. Nonetheless, things like strikes require people to actively not do anything, which should be possible. Even the yellow vest movement in France was most successful in the rural and suburban areas, more similar to the US in density. I believe it’s more about a culture of compliance, complacency and fatalism.
Yes, that’s why revolutions have only been successful in much smaller countries like Russia and China.
Russia actually isn’t as spread out as the US in a way. You can literally ignore anything east of the urals, all the cities that matter are in the western part of the country.
You misread my comment, or you’re being disingenuous.
I like that “realistic” caveat that you’ve thrown in there. Does that mean that all that rhetoric about the 2nd Amendment and “the tree of liberty needs to be watered with the blood of patriots and tyrants” was never realistic?
No it’s wasn’t. People in the fediverse aren’t likely to be right-wing gun nuts in the first place.
Maybe now’s the time for them to become left-wing gun nuts, then. Or did guns suddenly become hard to come by in America?
Self education that leads you and your friends away from heroic individualism, hypercapitalism, parochialism, cults, and other cultural excesses that lead to authoritarianism. It’s what we’re dealing with around the globe but the USA is struggling to understand.
Nice try, CIA. Answering that question is how I got my Reddit account banned.
Ah yes, the tired old “not all men” argument. Nobody cares. If you’re not actively part of the solution, you’re part of the problem.
Look at all the Americunts downvoting the truth while they eat their MacDonalds hamburgers
You are forcing us to fight your fight. I am not going to waste time trying to determine who is who.
Do something about it.
America has the richest and most heavily armed population on earth. No one feels sorry for your inability to control the actions of your own country.
The people who oppose Trump tend to be the people who don’t own guns.
Then go out and get guns. ASAP.
The fun thing about America is that you can literally just walk to a shop and buy a gun today. The fact that everyone who opposes Trump hasn’t done that says a lot about the real situation on the ground there.
Not true. I live in a state where we require a gun permit in order to purchase a gun. You have to that a gun safety class and fulfill other requirements. This is more a thing in blue states than in red states.
I personally don’t own a gun because someone in my household has a history of suicidal ideation.
That, and the common refrain of “I can’t go to the protest, I need my job” clearly indicates that freedom has a price tag for them and it’s surprisingly low.
Shameful to pick survival of family over something that will make them homeless, locked up, or killed. /s
And yes, people both in the past and now in some places go that far to try and change things, or to just fight back. But those people also got put against a wall to make those choices, and unfortunately most Americans, even the ones in trouble, aren’t quite at that level yet.
Says in one of the great documents that people “are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed.” It’s human nature to deal with things than totally uproot them. This isn’t an excuse against rebelling, it’s just a reason why there isn’t more of it.
As long as it’s other people who are made homeless, locked up, and killed by your government, that’s a price worth paying, eh?
I’m well aware that Americans are just regular people and are going to have all the same regular-person failings that allow authoritarians to take over as well. But Americans have spent generations bragging triumphantly about how different and better they were and how it couldn’t happen there, so I don’t think I’ll be letting that slide quite yet.
Guns will only defer a cultural problem.
You are all the same to us now.
I’m struggling right now to think of any group of people with less excuse for ignorance of how radical fascists wield propaganda and extort for political power than central Europeans.
EDIT: I don’t mean that to be super harsh, and I hope it’s core to the educational curriculum (as it should be in the US too). But maybe I’m wrong.
When you visit your nearest holocaust museum or memorial and refresh your understanding of all that suffering and anguish, how do you feel? Who do you blame? What do you think could stop it from escalating again? Genuinely interested in answers.
Here because Europeans couldn’t get their shit together during the first Nazi time. Abandoning the world when needed? Typical.
And all the other fascist countries that don’t fix their shit either and have been dealing with the fascism longer? Were new to this, give us a min to figure it out.
Many of us Americans are working on it. Meanwhile, it took the EU 14 years to begin to punish Hungary for Orban. The Serbs have been protesting for more than a year and still have yet to lead to lasting change. I could go on.
I know this is going to sound like a lazy American trying to do whataboutism, but I’m really just trying to say political change takes time and part of the danger of all of these leaders is how unresponsive they are and difficult they make it to change—especially the more powerful the state aparatus for violence they wield is.
Additionally, the US has regularly scheduled elections which makes just marginally harder to change governments unlike a ministerial system where snap elections can be called.
We can easily whataboutism to point to all the country leaders who are playing the game with Trump, saying they don’t agree but then when called on it don’t do much of anything to stop him. Compare this to Hitler and his first moves, the same things happened. Other leaders tsked and wagged fingers, the ones that didn’t just shrug it off as a temporary thing. It’s absolutely an American problem that should be dealt with here first and foremost, and that’s more complicated than a forum finger pointing can cover, but there’s blame to go around in different quantities. The whole economic tariff crap as an example - the world needs to stop playing with him and trying to come out profiting by cooperating. Shut it down, stop trading with the US, period. You don’t put out a fire by gently waving at it, you cut off its fuel.
Well said about tariffs. Von der Leyen should just use her “trade bazooka.” letting him set the rules of the game is exactly how he used the media to gain power in the first place: by breaking “norms” they went all Surprised Pikachu and couldn’t stop covering him and look where that got us.
Oh, I’m sorry, I must have missed where Orban blew up innocent people on international water and then straight up kidnapped a president? Or where he openly and publicly threatened to invade and overtake another EU country’s territory? Or when he organized a secret police that is killing the citizens in broad daylight?
Not defending piece of shit Orban, but comparing Trump to him is ridiculous and a cope on your part.
I wasn’t trying to equate the degree of their misdeeds. I was trying to illustrate that political change takes time and a lot of willpower and was pointing to recent examples of other long-term efforts.
If you do want to play that game, which is kind of pointless, let me ask about when Europeans are going stop just letting migrants drown in the Mediterranean?
But I don’t blame all Europeans. I don’t blame all the French, Italians, Maltese, and Greeks. That’s counterproductive and not how we fix these problems. I know there’s a lot of people in those countries trying hard to help save the lives of migrants. Shouting “cope” at people isn’t going to accomplish anything.
What are you even on about. What is anyone supposed to do about people choosing to cross a sea in a pontoon…? It’s not like we’re drone-striking them on those boats - that’s you guys.
You aren’t new to this, hitler got most of his ideas from americans.
You’re right, just like the incessant comparisons between ICE and the Gestapo conveniently gloss over ICE’s much closer resemblance to slave catcher patrols. They refuse to admit this is a very, very old and well-established movement in their country. The problem is that they never decisively put down the Confederacy.
Yeah, but now it’s affecting white people!
What do you want me to do about it?
How motivated are you to do something about it?
Highly motivated to have him removed from office permanently but not currently willing to die or go to prison over it.
I’m not a member of Congress, a billionaire, or a member of the administration.
So, what should I do about it?
See the French revolution. See tehran right now. See Hong Kong a couple years ago.
No one is coming to save you. Do something
He already said he’s not willing to risk anything. Fuck him.
Europe has been a vassal state of the US for years. It was clear that America has been spiraling towards fascism, and European leadership did not admit it, even if they recognized it. Europe should have developed their militarizes and not relied on the US military for decades for their protection.
What the US is doing is wrong, and Europe should have seen this was possible, and took actions to prevent it from being possible. Instead of focusing all of your anger towards Americans, reserve some anger for the leadership that has failed you, and allowed this to happen.
Europeans don’t realize they’re the eastern
romanus empireThe stronger much richer half that lasts for another thousand years?
I dont really care for either of the halves, I’m just saying they are the eastern west, and the us is the western west. They are one half of the western/american empire. After reagan and the cold war ended, nato seems like a raw deal for europe? america got a lot out of it in terms of weapons deals
You’re confusing the complex dynamics of international relations of democratic EU member states and its 450 million citizens with the psychology of a single person.
The EU isn’t just an entity that can make decisions. European leaders change all the time. Many decisions at the EU level can be vetoed by a single member state. There are many people, even political parties who have wanted a European military for a long time. But… there are others who didn’t.
What you’re seeing is one person, presumably from Europe, who is angry with Americans. There are other Europeans who feel bad for Americans and yet others who don’t read any news at all.
Fuck you, commie. USA #1
Most revolutions only succeed when they have backing from third-party countries. Maybe learn some history before making dumbass, unhelpful remarks 🙄
Dear American Administration*
No. You still don’t get it.
Yes, I do get it. I live here and I disagree with the administration.
Last time I checked, literally nobody here is in support of us invading Greenland. Just the muck at the top.
https://news.gallup.com/poll/203198/presidential-approval-ratings-donald-trump.aspx
Gallup ratings record a 36% approval and 60% disapproval. Also your chart shows a positive trend for disapproval and negative trend for approval, which would indicate people are not content with his decisions, supporters or not.
It’s nice to be able to brag about how democratic your country is until the administration that your democracy put into power starts doing awful things. Then suddenly “please forgive us, this has nothing to do with us.”
I have never once in my entire life bragged about American democracy, or said anything along the lines of “It can’t/won’t happen here.” Ever. You’re regurgitating old US government propaganda and you don’t even realize it.
You’re regurgitating old US government propaganda and you don’t even realize it.
Ironically, this is also “don’t blame us, it was our government.”
You act as if I flaunt US democracy, which I didn’t, and like there’s only 1 party that we could’ve voted for, which there isn’t.
There’s two parties you could have voted for, you put the other one in charge in the previous term and it didn’t help.
The problem is that America is democratic and it’s getting the government that its voters are demanding.
Damned if we did, damned if we didn’t.
There’s these things called “primary elections” you could be using to get better candidates.
Yes…I agree….
Can Trump just… not? When is the grim reaper coming for him? PLEASE I hope every night he dies the next day (legally and naturally).
This doesn’t stop with Trump. They voted for Trump and they voted for the congress that protects him. They will just pick another person that does the same thing, but probably sounds less stupid while doing it. This is an America problem.
Their voting is rigged. The people should not rely on that system
I and many people I know have spent our whole lives trying to change the rigged system of FPTP/single-member constituency voting with the further distortion of state-based apportionment.
The issue, as with any rigged system, is that it’s really hard to un-rig unless either the people benefitting from the rigging let it change (lol) or there’s a major upheaval—usually a war. It took WWI for the German voting system to be un-rigged in favor of the Junkers and Belgium to end their rigged system, and it took a civil war in America to end the 3/5 Compromise which was a start in the right direction and then a decade plus of sustained sctivism for the civil rights movement to see a real impact in voting rights.
Check out the Election Truth Alliance. Definitely sketchy in some ways so take it with a MASSIVE grain of salt, but it could be on to something.
Nah. This specific thing is all him.
Edit: shit, and Stephen miller, but he’s gone with trump I think.
He would have been legally fired a long time ago if he was alone.
His voters support him and are clueless about his actions and the world. Most republican representatives are just going along with it because he’s so powerful with his cult.
“His voters” being most of the people that cast votes in the presidential election, so yeah, its really not “just him” is it?
He has some kind of magical hold on his cult members. Of course the conservative propaganda machine (Fox, Newsmax, OANN, Twitter, TikTok) are so adeptly tuned to keep them brainwashed, but Trump himself is a once in a generation talent for leading the cult.
Really I’m so impressed at how efficient the propaganda machine keeps the base so angry and so oblivious to reality. It’s completely terrifying, but really really effective.
The magical hold is simply telling them what they want to hear. They are responding to their racist fascist desires being validated.
They don’t support his ideas and actions. They’ve never thought about most of them. They support him and if he switched stances tomorrow they would follow.
Right. They support whatever his ideas are at the time, no matter how absurd or contradictory.
It’s not. He is just the figurehead for their regime.
It definitely does continue to some extent. He’s not only the cause but also a symptom of a rotten society. However, he is a once in a generation talent at leading the cult. While Vance is “fully enlightened” (as Yarvin and Thiel have said), he can’t command that same kind of magical hold on the cult.
I beg to differ. His cult is hard carrying. Republican politicians don’t mind reversing all their opinions at the drop of a hat because opposing his cult has proven to be (until recently) political suicide. The [legal and natural] death of Donald Trump would leave the party in shambles. Susie Wiles and Stephen Miller need a figurehead and there isn’t any that can court maga.
They know Trump’s on his last legs. Peter Thiel put that fuckhead JD Vance in there for a reason. Things will escalate quickly if/when he becomes president.
I fully believe the fascism and shit continues. I’m not sure the Greenland thing does though. It seems like a weird personal obsession.
Natural resources becoming more accessible due to climate change and military positioning. I unfortunately doubt this ends with Trump.
I hope he dies illegally and unnaturally
I don’t care how he dies. Just soon. And ideally very painfully.
Actually that would be secondary. Ideally, he rots in prison for the rest of a long miserable life, where he can see the media and his own followers criticize, make fun of, and torment his little impotent insecurity. He’s never going to prison though, so…
Hoping the problem just resolves itself and doing nothing will, well, so nothing.
“We’ve tried nothing and we’re all out of options!!!”
Trump is a symptom, not the cause.
He’s a fetish or a lightning rod, without him there’s a solid chance the movement loses cohesive flow. Its far easier to kick a concussed coyote by itself than a pack of the things.
100% but he does have a magical hold on so many idiots. The conservative machine knows this is a once in a generation occasion so they’re trying to accomplish everything before he’s gone. Once he’s gone, Vance won’t be able to control that rabid base as well.
It’ll still be a nightmare I’m sure, but not as bad.
I wonder how many war crimes will be committed. Should things move forward.
DONT WORRY! The Congress that’s Beholden to the American people WONT let This happen AGAIN! Because if they do Us Americans will VOTE THEM OUT!
-LoL!
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