Blah, blah, blah.
Just like last time, no one did anything and this time will be no different.
The blind allegiance to power is too strong.
dude makes enemies everywhere. bonkers.
25th time someone says we should use the 25th amendment.
In the year 2525, if anyone’s left alive…
it’s tiresome seeing all these “tHaT wAs ThE lAsT sTrAw” headlines for years and years, while he just keeps doing whatever tf bullshit he wants with zero consequence
The camel’s back is vibranium
The majority of democrats in charge of this country seem to just not care… And the Republicans in charge at this point are full fascist steam ahead, and elated by every terrible thing that takes place.
The only hope is a revolution but I don’t know who’s gonna lead it
No one’s running out of straw!
Well, THIS is the last straw for real now!
Source: trust me bro.
After this straw, and that straw, we only have 16 straws left!
I think its time for the second ammendment if you ask me.
Sigh. I keep reminding people that the 25th Amendment was not meant for this. It was meant for when a President is physically incapacitated. Like, if a President was shot in the head, and is still alive, but in a coma. Because all the President has to do is say “Naw, I’m good”, and he gets his office back. If the VP and Cabinet still agree, it takes a 2/3 majority of both Houses to make the expulsion stick. And even then, the VP carries in as “Acting President”, which is not formally defined anywhere.
Impeachment is the way to handle this. It has a lower threshold. It doesn’t require the VP or Cabinet to sign off first, and only needs 1/2 the House to start the process. And once the President is removed from office by 2/3 of the Senate, the VP becomes the actual President, no “acting” involved.
It was meant for when a President is physically incapacitated.
Dementia is physical incapacitation.
You’re 100% right on the mechanics of it, but only 90% right overall. There is one small thing you might not be considering: Republicans might be more supportive of removing an “incapacitated” president than impeaching a tyrannical one because of the less damaging connotation of it.
Doubt it. Reagan likely had Alzheimer’s while President, nobody cared.
The worst of his dysfunction came late in his Presidency. He wasn’t demanding crazy shit publicly, so no one really wanted to kick him out, they just let me move on naturally.
And he was 77 when held left office, a year younger than Trump was when he started this term!
Did Reagan threaten war with NATO?
No, but he did declare war on an island
Excellent point. They aren’t admitting that their party failed America, just that their beloved candidate is having a serious health issue. There’s no shame in that.
What is impeachment usually meant to do? Because he’s been impeached twice and here he is.
Colloquially it is also meant to include conviction by the Senate. Impeach + convict. But yes, Republicans have been assholes for many decades. It still needs to happen though, so it is what continues to get demanded.
It would lead to his removal, but it got cockblocked by the Senate. As intended.
For those that don’t know. The Senate purely represents old money. They were created as a check/balance to keep citizens from taking away wealth, privilege, and power from the ruling class.
The British House of Lords used to hold the same sort of power with their ability to veto anything passed by the House of Commons. The House of Commons took this veto power away, but unfortunately they were only able to do this by getting the King to threaten to ennoble hundreds of new people and overwhelm the power of the traditional Lords. Our (US) current King would of course never agree to any such thing.
That’s a fascinating historical nugget. I wonder if he would have actually gone through with it? That would have been hilarious. How would they get picked?
Which is why the House is often called “the People’s House”.
Impeachment is meant as a check on an Imperial Presidency. In the Constitution, it is supposed to be triggered in response to “High Crimes and Misdemeanors”. It leaves to Congress what that means. So it does not have to be a chargeable crime. The President is supposed to uphold the Constitution, and Treaties like the NATO treaty are supposed to have the same force as the Constitution. Threatening to attack our allies should count as impeachable.
However, he has been impeached twice and failed because Republicans in Congress have his back. In particular, the second time around McConnell said that Trump deserved punishment, but it was better done in the courts. Then Surprise! the Courts said the only way to hold a sitting President to account was through impeachment. It was an ouroborous of letting him off the hook.
We may have to live with the fact that there is no way to fix this, other than voters (or God Himself) intervening, as long as Republicans are too chickenshit to stand up to Trump.
For what I know, impeaching him means the house will vote to send him home. If the vote doesn’t pass, he won’t go home.
Impeachment is the House voting to put the President on trial in the Senate. The Senate is then to hear the evidence and vote whether or not to remove the President from office. Trump was impeached twice but the Senate voted partisanly to keep him in office both times.
It never says physically incapacitated at all. It says:
“unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office”
If the president has a stroke and becomes a psychotic menace. Nervous breakdown and won’t leave his room…all sorts of things.
That’s the text all right, but the text also says that all the President has to do is present Congress with a “written declaration that no inability exists” to get his job back. So as long as the President has the mental acuity to write a letter, he gets his job back. Not a high bar at all, and your “psychotic menace” or “nervous breakdown” Presidents can still write a letter.
If the president objects, the matter goes before Congress, which can decide with a two-thirds vote to permanently remove the president and install the vice president.
Yes, and that process involves a higher threshold (2/3 of both houses) than impeachment (1/2 of the House and 2/3 of the Senate). It also needs the VP to agree.
So if impeachment won’t work, then this won’t work either.
Honestly, if you can get 2/3 to agree, they shouldn’t need to have any qualifying condition. That should just be the bar for getting fired even if enough people simply don’t like him being there.
That’s already how it works with impeachment. You need 1/2 of the house and 2/3rds of the Senate to agree to remove. You are describing what already exists
That’s why there’s been several impeachments in the last 20 years but nobody has left office.
I’m talking about straight up ejection from the moment the vote is validated type of stuff. Not the beginning to a hopelessly long series of trials and further votes. Just a one vote, done thing that could easily be official before the pres even know it might be likely.
Presidents are far too comfy as far as job security goes. They should be at risk of being fired literally every second if enough people agree that they’re a fuck-up. And depending on the reason the vote happens, they should be notified they’re fired by a surprise pair of handcuffs. None of this long drawn out shit. The fastest thing possible in reference should be fitting the leader.
If his condition is in decline and this is not the last stupid thing he does it might become more likely.
Impeachment was attempted after the Jan. 6th Insurrection, if it didn’t work when he was trying to monkeywrench the levers of power by subverting the confirmation of the vote, and it won’t work now. He’s been shooting his stupid mouth off for decades, being old doesn’t necessarily make him demented despite very obvious signs of aging poorly.
You’re absolutely correct. But people need to realize that the 25th amendment is not a viable option. The threshold for action via the 25th Amendment is higher. If impeachment won’t work, the 25th amendment won’t either.
TL;DR: The US president is the walking talking definition of “Main Character Syndrome” (because he is quite possibly the biggest narcissist in recorded history). Because of this, he is risking the dissolution of NATO, and a possible global conflict, seemingly because Norway did not give him a medal. His letter to the Norway PM below:
Dear Jonas,
Considering your Country decided not to give me the Nobel Peace Prize for having stopped 8 Wars PLUS, I no longer feel an obligation to think purely of Peace, although it will always be predominant, but can now think about what is good and proper for the United States of America. Denmark cannot protect that land from Russia or China, and why do they have a ‘right of ownership’ anyway? There are no written documents, it’s only that a boat landed there hundreds of years ago, but we had boats landing there, also. I have done more for NATO than any other person since its founding, and now, NATO should do something for the United States. The World is not secure unless we have Complete and Total Control of Greenland. Thank you! President DJT.
Adding the following:
We have debated the extent to which we can call these claims “lies” because the president truly seems to believe many of them.
This, to me, is probably the scariest thing. I told my wife awhile back that the difference between people like Mitch McConnell and MTG was that McConnell knew he was pedaling bullshit to get what he wanted. He just didn’t have any ethics. MTG (and Boebert, maybe Gym Jordan, and certainly Trump and plenty more) genuinely think that bullshit is true.
When that guy showed up looking for the child hostages at that DC area pizza place w/ his AR-15 and found out the place had no basement , McConnell privately laughed at the idiot people like him had created. The MTGs of the world figured he just had the wrong pizza place, but went on believing that prominent Democrats were harvesting the blood of children! If enough people like that get in charge of a country like the US, then all bets are truly off. That’s not hyperbole. They are the kind of people who can be convinced that a country can win a nuclear war, because God would be on their side.
I’m not saying we’re headed for a nuclear confrontation. It would have to be a means to an end for someone who can convince the President of the need to achieve that end, and I can’t think of any billionaires who need a nuclear war. Yet. Still, it’s important to recall that this president did once consider nuking a hurricane. I’m sure anyone on the right, and many on the left, will say he was just kidding. But looking at the context of that conversation, I don’t know if that assessment is fully accurate.
Edit: formatting, grammar
There are billionaires who seek nuclear war though. You can argue that Peter Thiel (knows about the antichrist) actually wants a large collapse because he has some technobabble belief that he’ll come out on top
There are certainly billionaires who want Curtis Yarvin’s stupid predictions to come true, but I haven’t seen any of them advocating for nuclear holocaust. Not even Thiel. Not saying I’d be surprised to see it. “Love, Death, & Robots” had a disturbingly believable post-apocalyptic skit that covered how some powerful people might think they can survive something like that.
It’s obviously not that critical cause they make you pay to read it.
Trump sent
DenmarkNorway a letter claiming they owe him Greenland for him not getting the Nobel Peace prize.I thought he sent it to Norway. Either way Norway doesn’t control Greenland and Denmark has no say in the Nobels.
I got the country wrong but regardless, wtf right?
“Not now. Just give him a bit more rope and he’ll surely hang himself this time!”
This seems to be the world’s approach to Trump, and I fear it will backfire on all of us. This is not how you successfully deal with bullies.
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Hehehe liberals, when are you gonna get it through your thick skulls - the Trump Regime doesn’t give a flying fuck about the rules, he wipes his ass with the constitution in the morning before downing a Big Mac with a side of western rules based order for breakfast.
The only way this monster is leaving office is if the people rise up and force him to do so. Congress will not save us - hell, most of them are part of this problem of cancerous end stage capitalism and need to be deposed as well.
AFAIK the military still cares about rules. So that’s kind of a big reason to do the necessary legwork.
