• juice702@lemmy.world
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    27 days ago

    As American I agree. However, judging by all the Europeans visiting during the World Cup and then being enamored by our food and culture makes me think this person has never visited.

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      27 days ago

      As a European, it really depends where those tourists were from. Austrian traditional food? Abysmal (even Austrians agree). Germany is also petty meh. Meanwhile Czechia has great food. Further east and south, also great food. That’s not to say the US doesn’t have good food.

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      26 days ago

      I don’t get it, you agree with the person who never visited? As an American, you should know the food here is diverse and incredible

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      27 days ago

      Definitely hamburgers. Mostly KC BBQ. US does bbq best, but the origin of seasoning and smoking big tasty slabs of meat this way wasn’t an American creation like the hamburger was. The US just perfected it.

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    27 days ago

    In an effort to only be a little annoying, some wines in the US have ranked higher in blind tests when compared with French wines. Albeit it’s an old story nowadays, but France doesn’t have a monopoly on good wine, nor Italy on good ‘pizza’.

    Something we, the people in the US, do right, is integrating different cultural foods and ingredients. There’s a mountain of things that can be said about just how long something of higher quality actually lasts here, but many of us are eager to try new things and see the local places near us as part of our home.

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      23 days ago

      that’s not a useful metric though. the science of winemaking isn’t some dark secret. given enough money to replicate conditions i’m sure even saudi arabia could produce a wine that blind tests better than french wines

      the point of comparing regions is their average wine: pick up a random wine off the shelf from each region and how comparable is it?

      french wine isn’t good by magic - french wine is good for the same reason french pastry, bread, and cheese are also good. because it’s deeply ingrained in french culture that these are things that you don’t accept bad versions of. bad wine doesn’t sell in france. americans are less picky. each wine region adapts to local conditions

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        I think you can do random wine comparisons from various regions, but comparing the average wine across all of America hardly seems like a fair comparison though given how much bigger America is compared to France. A better comparison would be the average wine in western Europe compared to the average American wine if we’re going off of sheer scale.

        Some states have better wine producing areas than others due to the climate. The East Coast for instance doesn’t have as good of a climate for wine production as the West Coast, that’s not a flaw really but a regional difference. The wines that are produced on the East Coast aren’t bad, but even when I asked a couple sommeliers while on the East Coast they conveyed that I would find much better wines on the West Coast due to the climate.

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    27 days ago

    this is just a case of shoving politics into everything and that sucks

    We have hamburgers, hot dogs, deep fried Twinkies, etc…

    People who have to make everything political are the fucking worst

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      27 days ago

      Everyone loves to shit on American “cheese” but sometimes a melted Kraft’s Singles is what hits just right.

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          27 days ago

          If you want ACTUAL American cheese, one that is real cheese, try “Land O Lakes White American Cheese”. That said, the Kraft Singles flavor carries a lot of nostalgia and acquired taste. It’s why some people prefer an Oscar Meyer mystery “meat” hot dog over something like an all choice cut high end dog. That’s why I said that it “hits”, not that it is best.

          • 🌞 Alexander Daychilde 🌞@lemmy.world
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            27 days ago

            Most American cheese sold through the deli will be good. LoL is good brand, Boars Head is good. The “deluxe” versions in the lunchmeat aisle are alright but a bit lower-end.

            It’s all about the cheese they use since American cheese is cheese with sodium citrate, that’s all.

            Kraft singles are not cheese… but even they’re fine on a burger or whatever application yu don’t really care and just want some sort of melty semi-cheesy thing. :)

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            27 days ago

            American cheese is a combination of Jack and cheddar cheeses that is specifically designed to melt, Kraft singles are basically Velveeta which is just sort of like cheese whiz but harder, that is to say processed cheese like food.

            You can usually get American cheese at your deli counter.

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              27 days ago

              Kraft cheese is made with standard real cheese ingredients. They add emulsifiers to it in order to lower the melting point to make it better on a burger or grilled cheese. The percentage of emulsifiers and moisture the slices have is the only reason it can’t be legally defined as “cheese”. But unlike other things, such as fake ice cream having to be labeled as something like “frozen dairy dessert” because it was made cheaper without enough milkfat and ending up with a worse tasting product, Kraft is just because they wanted their cheese to melt easier.

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                Kraft invented American cheese and then enshitified it to the point that it couldn’t be called cheese anymore. I’m not even sure what you’re trying to argue at this point. If Kraft singles were made of real American cheese they could call it cheese it isn’t so they can’t just like the ice cream.

                ETA:

                There is a reason this says “American cheese” and not “prepared cheese product”:

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                  27 days ago

                  The bottom one has a lower melting point and more moisture. “Cheese” has to be 51% cheese per FDA. It is estimated that Kraft singles are around 48%.

                  That tiny amount difference isn’t because it saves money in production. It’s just because it works better in a grilled cheese sandwich.

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              American cheese is a combination of Jack and cheddar cheeses that is specifically designed to melt

              You just basically described Kraft Singles, the first ingredient of which is cheddar cheese.

              Kraft Singles are literally just cheddar cheese, milk, calcium/sodium phosphates, and trace amounts of colorings and preservatives. The phosphates are emulsifiers that allow the cheese and milk to mix, and are what gives it its melty texture. They really aren’t any different than the stuff you can get at the deli counter, from an ingredients-list perspective.

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                27 days ago

                Kraft invented American cheese but Kraft singles are not cheese. Traditional American cheese uses sodium citrate, not phosphates and is typically white not yellow. I’m not sure you actually looked at the ingredients list before making this comment because they are very different.

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                  27 days ago

                  What’s your issue with using sodium/calcium phosphate over sodium citrate? They all perform the same function in American cheese. Toward the bottom of this page there’s a table of ingredients found in American cheese, all three are included in it.

                  Saying Kraft Singles aren’t cheese because the FDA’s legal definition categorizes it as something more specific puts you in the same category of people that insist that tomatoes aren’t vegetables because botanically they’re defined as fruit. Technically correct, but overly pedantic and unproductive when looking at things through a culinary lense.

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                  They aren’t cheese simply because they are 48% cheese instead of the FDA requirement of 51%. Kraft could easily tweak it that tiny bit so it would be “real” cheese, but then it wouldn’t be as nice in that grilled cheese sandwich.

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            27 days ago

            No they’re not. They pasteurized processed cheese product.

            American cheese is actual cheese. Kraft has a real American cheese. It’s the deli deluxe stuff.

          • 🌞 Alexander Daychilde 🌞@lemmy.world
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            27 days ago

            Well, no.

            The problem is tht Kraft singles are not cheese. They are cheese “product”. This is cheese-adjacent. Frankly, it’s more like a slice of cheese-type sauce, if you will. Good for some things, don’t get me wrong, I’m not a snob.

            And yes, you are right, they are American cheese, but… they are not cheese. But yes, they are also American cheese (while technically not being cheese).

            Basically, Flanders used to sell "burger patties’ for VERY cheap. I made the mistake of buying some. After I threw the ones I cooked way, I found that they had beef, but also mechanically separated beef, some other sort of ‘reclaimed’ beef, as well as beef hearts, liver, and maybe other stuff. All technically food and technically beef, but they were REALLY shitty…

            Kraft singles are MUCH better than that, but still… it’s not good in all applicatins. heh.

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              They’re only not “cheese” because they add in more than the allowed percentages of emulsifiers and moisture. It’s real cheese made with all your standard real cheese ingredients, but they add in things that make it melty and gooey when heated.

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              Because they wanted it to melt easy, so it has more moisture than “cheese” is allowed to have. It uses all the right ingredients for cheese.

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        27 days ago

        Never been in a situation like that. A slice of actual cheese has always been better.

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          Wonder how you react when you find out that American cheese is usually just cheddar with sodium citrate to allow it to melt better and have a softer texture.

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        27 days ago

        I think the joke/criticism is that it cannot even be called “cheese”, not that it tastes bad.

        Tons of really bad-for-you shit tastes delicious hahahaha