Ok, you just told on yourself. There is no standard by which Leviticus 20:13 is not really horrible. It was really horrible when it was conceptualized, it was really horrible when King James edited it, it was really horrible when Gutenberg printed it, and it’s really horrible now. I attend a UCC church and my pastors do not defend what the Bible says about homosexuality the way you just did. God is still speaking, I encourage you to listen.
Also, it’s universally accepted that Leviticus 20:13 is not a command for today. It was a law for Israel to show that even earthly means and men cannot keep Israel’s purity. Christ set us free from the law. We don’t need to kill each other for sinning. Because we cannot be pure. So Christ died to make us pure.
I attend a UCC church and my pastors do not defend what the Bible says about homosexuality the way you just did.
UCC has been known to be rapidly spiralling down into heresy. They say vague things like “God is still speaking” and that god for whatever reason always affirms what the white cultures believe is right. Convenient that your god changes his mind just to placate the culture about what white people living in the west think, huh. Once again like Israel of old, man thinks he stands in judgement over God.
Once again, telling on yourself. What’s not horrible about saying people should be put to death for their private consensual bedroom behavior?
That’s not answering my question. You need a definition of “horrible” to understand what isn’t “horrible”.
I’ll give you two suggestions:
Is “horrible” going against what the culture of white people living in the USA and their society says?
Or
Is “horrible” an objective wrong going against what the infallible objective and perfect creator of the universe says?
If you are a Christian then you’d believe the latter. It is also Christian belief that “all scripture is God-breathed” in regards to the old testament. So therefore Leviticus 20:13, in the way as God intended, isn’t horrible. Now some people’s interpretation of this scripture might be horrible - that possibly means you as well. I just see it as part of the law given to Israel to show as part of the wider narrative that humans are incapable of being perfect and that God needed to send a Saviour and prepare the way for Him. Didn’t Jesus command in John 8:1-11 not to stone someone to death, that we do not have the ability to stone someone to death because we aren’t perfect? And what did the only one there who could judge do? The literal Perfect Creator of the Universe - Whom is deserving of all Honour and Glory - was standing before her in Human Form. He forgave her, and what He said was “Go and sin no more.” There is nobody qualified on this earth to carry out Leviticus 20:13. And He who ascended into Heaven and is seated at the Right hand of God the Father is qualified, offers forgiveness.
I don’t think you’re even reading what I’m saying at all. I literally said that man does not have the authority to carry out what’s described in Leviticus 20:13 due to our sinful nature. I debunked any possible “let’s kill gay people” reading you could have gotten from it by giving the context. I don’t see how that is “dangerous”. In fact, just flat out ignoring your own scriptures because your misunderstanding of it makes you feel uncomfortable and not engaging with it is very dangerous.
I’ll ask you this if you’re actually willing to engage here: What would you say makes someone a Christian?
So you aren’t actually looking to engage, but just shout in an echo chamber. Or maybe you’re feeling conviction because deep down you know what I’m saying is true and it hurts because you cannot be your own god. That’s okay, I have been there once.
But be careful. On the day of Judgement many will say ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?’ And then He will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.’
Ok, you just told on yourself. There is no standard by which Leviticus 20:13 is not really horrible. It was really horrible when it was conceptualized, it was really horrible when King James edited it, it was really horrible when Gutenberg printed it, and it’s really horrible now. I attend a UCC church and my pastors do not defend what the Bible says about homosexuality the way you just did. God is still speaking, I encourage you to listen.
How do you define “really horrible”?
Also, it’s universally accepted that Leviticus 20:13 is not a command for today. It was a law for Israel to show that even earthly means and men cannot keep Israel’s purity. Christ set us free from the law. We don’t need to kill each other for sinning. Because we cannot be pure. So Christ died to make us pure.
UCC has been known to be rapidly spiralling down into heresy. They say vague things like “God is still speaking” and that god for whatever reason always affirms what the white cultures believe is right. Convenient that your god changes his mind just to placate the culture about what white people living in the west think, huh. Once again like Israel of old, man thinks he stands in judgement over God.
Once again, telling on yourself. What’s not horrible about saying people should be put to death for their private consensual bedroom behavior?
Oh give me a break. “No true Christian” much?
That’s not answering my question. You need a definition of “horrible” to understand what isn’t “horrible”.
I’ll give you two suggestions:
Is “horrible” going against what the culture of white people living in the USA and their society says?
Or
Is “horrible” an objective wrong going against what the infallible objective and perfect creator of the universe says?
If you are a Christian then you’d believe the latter. It is also Christian belief that “all scripture is God-breathed” in regards to the old testament. So therefore Leviticus 20:13, in the way as God intended, isn’t horrible. Now some people’s interpretation of this scripture might be horrible - that possibly means you as well. I just see it as part of the law given to Israel to show as part of the wider narrative that humans are incapable of being perfect and that God needed to send a Saviour and prepare the way for Him. Didn’t Jesus command in John 8:1-11 not to stone someone to death, that we do not have the ability to stone someone to death because we aren’t perfect? And what did the only one there who could judge do? The literal Perfect Creator of the Universe - Whom is deserving of all Honour and Glory - was standing before her in Human Form. He forgave her, and what He said was “Go and sin no more.” There is nobody qualified on this earth to carry out Leviticus 20:13. And He who ascended into Heaven and is seated at the Right hand of God the Father is qualified, offers forgiveness.
You are the reason a lot of folks don’t trust Christians. Just under the surface, you (personally) are dangerously homophobic.
I don’t think you’re even reading what I’m saying at all. I literally said that man does not have the authority to carry out what’s described in Leviticus 20:13 due to our sinful nature. I debunked any possible “let’s kill gay people” reading you could have gotten from it by giving the context. I don’t see how that is “dangerous”. In fact, just flat out ignoring your own scriptures because your misunderstanding of it makes you feel uncomfortable and not engaging with it is very dangerous.
I’ll ask you this if you’re actually willing to engage here: What would you say makes someone a Christian?
I was once where you are now.
Just go away. Nobody needs or wants you here.
So you aren’t actually looking to engage, but just shout in an echo chamber. Or maybe you’re feeling conviction because deep down you know what I’m saying is true and it hurts because you cannot be your own god. That’s okay, I have been there once.
But be careful. On the day of Judgement many will say ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?’ And then He will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.’
Why did you even reply? Go blaspheme somewhere else.