It’s just a regular murder. Not even remotely are horrific as the KIDS that got shot in Colorado on that same day.
100%.
The Colorado even is far far more important than some hate spewing trash catching lead feelings.
Because its a competition? You do know he has/had 2 young children, right? And now, you, and all the other ghouls are cheering on their fathers death. Funny how none of you give a tiny rats ass about those kids…
The man spent his life advocating for political violence. It’s not a secret, it’s not a mystery, and no amount of convoluted gymnastics changes how Charlie Kirk lived his life.
I’m sorry for his children, that they were ever born to such a reprehensible, utterly devoid wad of human filth. But like children borne to abusers, this man’s psychopathic hate that he turned into a fanatasism and a career that has poisoned the will of public discourse: his kids are better off with him dead than to live in the world which he was working, night and day, to create.
What would you say to the children of Adolf Hitler, Or Goebells, or Polpot? That their father’s political ambitions are worthy simply because he happened to spill his seed any where but his own palm?
No. Spare me the crocodile tears. The man was a vehement and abhorrent racist. It’s a better world for all and also for his children without him in it. Like a child should not have to grow up in a household of abuse, this man was an abuser of the very social fabric that marks all. Charlie Kirk had not one redeemable quality, and it’s a better world without him in it.
The man spent his life advocating for political violence No he didnt. I never paid much attention to him before you all starting posting shit he said. But unlike you, I didnt just take the headlines word for it. Was a right winger? Yeah. Did he have some dog shit ideas? Yup. But he wasnt anything you lot claimed he was. The amount of shit you all posted thats been taken extremely out of context is fucking insane.
You are no better than the maga weirdos who claim all the trans people are rubbing out in toilets, because fox news said it was so.
Shut up, fascist apologist.
If Kirk was a fascist, then so are you. You both do the same things, coming from different angles. The reality is that social media morons have diluted the word, in much the same way the right wingers did with “woke”. Youre all fucking morons, chasing buzzwords for easy, but worthless internet points. Its fucking sad how alike you both are, yet neither of you see it as you both scream “fascist!” at each other.
Nobody is bound to be civil towards the uncivil, you stupid fuck. Learn how to break away from the Paradox of Tolerance like an adult. The intolerant will be met with intolerance. Treating fascists like fascists by acting like a fascist doesn’t make anyone a fascist. It makes them reasonable.
You live in delusion.
I care about those kids. That’s why I’m ecstatic that the shit head is worm food so they’ll never have memories of hearing his BS in person.
You think watching your dad die and then watching the world laugh, is good for those kids? Are you fucking high?
not even as bad as assasinating the senators.
All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others.
When was the last “regular murder” of this kind—against a political figure of such prominence? Say all you want about their bigotry, I agree, but that is currently mainstream politics. Like it or not, the kids were not prominent, and lives that are not prominent get buried despite their status as preventable horror.
You can’t murder a Nazi. It’s just putting them down.
Dehumanization does nothing but feed into the bad faith right wing’s smearing of progressivism as a whole. Even uprisings need to consider opponents as capable of thought and assume more than constant misery. Just using different words is not going to change reality for the better, especially if said words are misleading. This is the kind of rhetoric that can be used to justify them shooting us. It’s just more excuses for Trump to create a police state.
I understand what you’re saying but Trump just canceled his trip to Chicago so, I’d say you are proven wrong. The more this happens the more they fear, And since it is them getting hurt – I don’t see any problem here. You sound quite like a conservative, protecting conservatives. You should be ashamed of yourself
Assuming that’s what you’re talking about, Trump already talked about announcing sending the National Guard to Memphis instead of Chicago the night before the shooting; see https://www.cbsnews.com/chicago/news/chicago-national-guard-deployment-in-question-ice-immigration-crackdown/.
The threat of a police state and arbitrary removal is enough for progressive activists to defend against already; encouraging possible grassroots 4chan snipers on every building is not going to help. Furthermore, this shooting has allowed the Trump administration to prominently represent those like you with “If you read this, you are gay LMAO”. (I am bi and I absolutely do not intend to say LGBTQ+ representation is bad for the movement; I am saying that this representation of us as closed-minded childish trolls encourages the right to make statements like those the Zeteo article is criticizing and act on them to “preserve national order”.)
We’re under the whims of the state. We don’t have an uprising. Until then, we should preserve the parts of the state that actually protect us as the only defense against the tools of oppression. If you want to debate people no matter how good or bad your arguments are without getting shot, you should have a problem with this, because the existence of the state precludes chipping away MAGA figureheads’ bunkers without having the same done to progressive figures. Having to see bad arguments reach people all day is much better than those people pointing a gun at you.
I think this thread represents other aspects of my views here well:
https://kbin.melroy.org/m/anarchism@lemmy.dbzer0.com/t/1184816/Kirk-Assassination-Propaganda-of-the-Deed-and-Luigi
I don’t agree. We need more 4chan Nazis popping people who aren’t “right wing” enough. The problem solves itself. I’m firm I’m my opinion.
chances are they’ll pop progressives instead. the charlottesville rally was called “unite the right”, after all
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I agree with what you say, and I don’t think it conflicts with what I say above. (I talk about the Minnesotan State Legislators below, too; I disagree that it is at the same prominence.)
Like 2 months ago in Minnesota.
Right? They totally forgot about them because they just wanna be mad at something. They don’t fucking care lol
The two state lawmakers were as prominent as Charlie Kirk?
No you’re right that’s insane. Two elected officials are obviously way more prominent than a YouTube personality.
I didn’t hear about them before they died. And Turning Point is pretty much the MAGA youth league. Dismissing the US’s most influential MAGA voices as just “a YouTube personality” is not doing anything any favor.
Just because he was prominent in your life doesn’t mean he was to others. I’ve had to explain to more than a few people who he was since they’d never heard of him at all.
and they’ve heard of the minnesotan lawmakers before they died? even if they have, way less people have heard of them compared to hearing of kirk.
What is your goal with these comments you are making?
nothing more than the goals of the other commenters here
kyle was so stupid, the magats couldnt even use him as a political talking head.
All that money and all he amounted to is a booth babe at a Gun shop in Milton, Florida.
What if, they are cunts for doing it, AND, so it is anyone else doing it now?
Seriously, why the fuck is “they are cunts” now the go to excuse for being a cunt???
I take it reading isnt your strong suit, mate?
Funny I looked you up and basically everyone dislikes your opinions on this platform 😂 I think you might be the one with the issue
I do have an issue. All you cunts laughing at a dead man, laughing at the trauma his kids are going through, and calling for more deaths for the high crime of people who dont agree with you. Youre all fucking batshit insane. The fact you think being surrounded means Im the asshole, is a fucking wild theory, mate. Maybe take a look at the echo chamber you are in, and ask yourself if laughing at people being murdered and the subsequent pain of their loved ones makes you the fucking good guy in all this… Spoiler alert, it doesnt. Its fucking ghoulish behaviour. The fact there so many of you, is fucking scary.
“Disagreement” is not the same thing as doing active harm to myself and people I care about. His right to speech ends where violating the rights of others begins.
Imagine YOUR child gets murdered in cold blood and some scumbag shithead goes on national TV and talks about how they’re a necessary sacrifice and we should be ready to accept that, and then prevents any action that could prevent the next one.
Here’s my free speech: while I don’t condone extrajudicial murder, the world is better off without him and I won’t pretend it’s not because of how that came to be. It’s a tragedy that his children will grow up without a father, but the hundreds of families of murdered children that won’t have to hear him mocking and fighting them will grow up in a better world. Plenty of horrible people who do horrible things have families. If you want to be remembered fondly, stop doing horrible things.
And you want to talk about ghoulish? Being a good father to your children with the money you get from stripping rights from other people and ruining their lives and ability to have good relationships and lives of their own, and not feeling the tiniest bit of remorse about it? That’s ghoulish. That’s the definition of ghoulish.
Not only did he excuse gun violence and the deaths of innocent people, he also disparaged the concept of empathy. Now that he is the victim of the gun system he endorsed, you expect us to offer him the empathy that he denied other, more worthy people?
People who don’t offer respect or tolerance to others, shouldn’t expect it in return. It’s not a difficult concept to understand, nor is it immoral.
Do you have the same empathy for the innocent people who died in Iraq/Afghanistan/Gaza? Other gun deaths? Gang members have families too. The tens of thousands who die to car accidents every year? The answer is NO. You’re just using a single death to attack people you don’t like. When Hillary, Biden, or some other democrat dies MAGA will celebrate.
Its not about sympathy, about the cheering it on. If you were all cheering on the deaths of kids in Gaza, Id call you out on it as well. The point isnt sympathy or empathy or anything else like that. Its about YOU, and those like you, acting the way you are in public forums. You want to be seen to be cheering for murder. You are treating it like your team scored a touch down. Its the type of thing that MAGA does, yet here you all are. Acting just like the people you hate.
You think Im upset with you because you dont care that Kirk got killed. I dont care that Kirk got killed. What I care about is that WE, the supposed left, dont all get radicalised to the point that we dont see ourselves acting just like the pricks that we hate. But look at you all? Laughing, cheering, saying “get JK next!” and many other repugnant as fuck things. You should all be ashamed of yourselves. Youve become the very people you hate. And its disgusting.
I felt more sympathy for his poor kids when he was still alive.
You dont have to feel sympathy for him, you can be happy hes dead if you want. Its the public cheering and back slapping that ghoulish. Why do you all feel the need to take to social media, and cheer and clap and say dumb shit like “rest in piss”? Cos, up until this week, I thought that was the purview of the MAGA pricks. But here you all are, acting just like them. And none of you see the problem, which is alarming.
The way I as a leftist want to deal with the Charlie Kirk problem (aka online far right influencers) is via a national online forum. Not shooting people. The problem is that people like Charlie are getting undo influence via various foreign and domestic groups donating to him via Crypto and advertising for him for free, especially to children on video games.
A democracy means everyone gets a say fairly, not that one asshole gets to flood our every commercial and social media feed with his hateful illogic constantly (and there’s something to be said here about good faith arguments, freedom of speech, the law, and democracy as well). If his comments were on a classic forum with classic moderation, no vote systems, everyone with one say, he wouldn’t be treated like anything special, and he wouldn’t be able to interrupt and talk over people either. He’d be like everyone else and his words would have to stand for themselves individually one time, and they are dumb.
But conservatives solve everything with violence because it’s their one solution, just like they have the one joke. This is why we shouldn’t spank kids, it just teaches them to incorporate violence as a solution or to use violence before actually problem solving. So they project this regressive ideology onto the left, the progressives which means new ideas that address issues and create progress, which then “conveniently” allows them to justify violence- their one solution that they were always going to arrive at anyway.
The Right has more to fear from the Right than the Left. The Left doesn’t want to fight. They will if they have to, but they’d much rather avoid it at all costs.
The Right WANTS the fight. They are stoked, armed, and itching for it, and now some have become so obsessed with political purity that they have become idealogically twisted and are starting to “clean up” their own backyards first.
Conservatives are self proclaimed domestic terrorists. And they should be handled as such.
They are projecting. They are accusing the left to be exactly what they themselves are.
Hypocritical Conservatives… journalists don’t even bother checking for redundancy
