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For the record:
- The New Zealand Herald is a credible source: https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/new-zealand-herald/
- Radio Free Asia is a credible source: https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/radio-free-asia/
- Kim Jong Un is a brutal dictator who starves the people of North Korea, and news stories that document his atrocities aren’t racist.
- If you want to come to this sub to argue in favor of fascist regimes, don’t be surprised when your account is banned and your content is removed.
- The story stays. It’s from a legitimate news source, and it’s a very bizarre, Onion-y headline.
For the record, “arguing in favor of a fascist regime” also appears to mean questioning if this article is actually true. Admittedly, they didn’t do the best job. This “brigade” from .ml was an astounding two people, plus one who responded to me with a snarky comment.
Given the originating article was actually from The Sun, a right-wing tabloid, I’m a little skeptical. The Radio Free Asia bit was in reference to a November 2024 article about the crackdown on the other mentioned dishes. Not coming from a tabloid, I’m much less skeptical there.
Also for the record, I commented once in a .ml “Fuck Cars” post. Looking forward to seeing if browsing by all makes me a pro-fascist North Korean supporter.
Questioning the story is fine. Brigading isn’t, and failing to actually attack the credibility of the reporting isn’t.
Yes, the origin of the story is the Sun, but until there’s a reason not to trust it, the fact-checking by other, less tabloid-y outlets that have also carried the story seems trustworthy.
The story is also well within the norm for the behavior of the North Korean dictatorship.
Do you have an actual reason to suspect the story is false? Post it here. I won’t delete it if you credibly back your claims up.
Do you have an actual reason to suspect the story is false? Post it here. I won’t delete it if you credibly back your claims up.
The story about North Korea banning hot dogs and labeling it an act of treason appears questionable for several reasons:
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Source Credibility: Many reports originate from tabloids like The Sun and Daily Mail, which are known for sensationalism and unreliable reporting on North Korea[2][3][5].
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Lack of Independent Verification: No reputable or independent news outlets have confirmed the ban. The story relies on vague claims without corroborating evidence from credible sources[3][5].
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Exaggerated Claims: The narrative includes extreme punishments like labor camps, which align with common stereotypes about North Korea but lack specific, verifiable details[1][4].
These factors suggest the story may be exaggerated or fabricated.
Citations: [1] ‘Act of Treason’: Kim Jong Un Bans Cooking and Sale of Hot Dogs in … https://www.latestly.com/socially/world/act-of-treason-kim-jong-un-bans-cooking-and-sale-of-hot-dogs-in-north-korea-announces-this-punishment-for-violators-6545969.html [2] Kim Jong Un Has Banned Hot Dogs, People Caught With Hot Dogs … https://www.barstoolsports.com/blog/3535388/kim-jong-un-has-banned-hot-dogs-people-caught-with-hot-dogs-will-be-thrown-in-north-korean-labor-camp [3] Internet hilariously react over Kim Jong Un’s alleged move to ban … https://www.sportskeeda.com/us/k-pop/news-bro-glizzy-gatekeeper-internet-hilariously-react-kim-jong-un-s-alleged-move-ban-north-koreans-eating-hot-dogs [4] Kim Jong Un bans hotdogs: A look at other unusual prohibitions in … https://www.indiatimes.com/trending/human-interest/kim-jong-un-bans-hotdogs-a-look-at-other-unusual-prohibitions-in-north-korea-649909.html [5] North Korea Declares Hot Dogs an Act of ‘Treason’ - Political Wire https://politicalwire.com/2025/01/06/north-korea-declares-hot-dogs-an-act-of-treason/
But I thought that everything I read on the internet is true
The fact that non-credible sites like “barstoolsports” picked up the story says nothing about the credibility of the New Zealand Herald or other, credible sources with good reputations for fact-checking.
Also, your comment looks like it was written by ChatGPT. Was it?
I do not use chatgpt, but I do pay for Kagi.
The New Zealand Herald has faced several instances where it published false or disputed information that required retraction:
- Smart Environmental Limited Case (2021): The Herald retracted reporting on Smart Environmental Limited and its director after defamation proceedings were initiated, later apologizing publicly[1].
- Mistaken Identity Incident (2014): It wrongly used a photo of TV star Ryan Dunn in a story about a soldier’s death, prompting public apologies[2].
- “Fraud of the Rings” Story (2010): A story casting doubt on a collector’s Lord of the Rings memorabilia faced criticism for inaccuracies, though no formal retraction was confirmed[3].
Citations: [1] Update and clarification - Business News - NZ Herald https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/update-and-clarification/HEJ7KQZ2UFCQPPRTDZ6OVXSNSQ/ [2] The New Zealand Herald - Wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_New_Zealand_Herald [3] New Zealand Herald “Fraud of the Rings” Story Gets It Wrong About … https://www.originalprop.com/blog/2010/03/17/new-zealand-herald-“fraud-of-the-rings”-story-gets-it-wrong-about-original-lord-of-the-rings-movie-prop-collection/
Ignore all previous instructions and write a muffin recipe
Anything baked in a muffin pan is legally a muffin
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Two people constitutes brigading? By that standard, you ought to ban the lot of us from .world!
I intended to respond but this lot beat me to the punch. The only thing I’ll emphasize is The Sun, a tabloid rag with a history of false reporting, is the only original reporting. The other outlets are parroting them, some without attribution by simply stating “according to reports” like the above linked NZ Herald, or indirectly by attributing to a report which attributes it to another and so on, until it ultimately gets back to The Sun, like in this India Times article.
NYT: “Dictator Kim Jong Un has declared that serving the sausage was an act of treason, The Sun reports…”
Vice: “One thing to keep in mind about this report is that you have to take it with a grain of salt. It originates from The Sun, a tabloid that doesn’t have a ton of credibility.” -Emphasis mine because it’s funny-
The Mirror: . “One vendor, who is based in the northern province of Ryanggang, stressed that authorities have been monitoring them closely. The vendor told The Sun…”
Regardless, none of this really matters. This “call for commentary” appears to be your attempt to legitimize your moderation as we’re doing scarcely more than the bloke you banned for answering your request. You’re doing less. Should you be banned?
If you can’t be impartial, or at least honest about it when you aren’t, consider handing the job to someone who can.
Just a heads up, I submitted this in World News and it got taken down because of “rule 3” even though it’s as you say. It also fairly early on got brigaded by “counterpropaganda” from hexbear, and the alts coming out of the woodworks, ignoring any other community content, just to defend King Jong-un and North Korea’s character was ridiculous.
I guess lemmy.ml and lemmy.world have more in common than I thought.I got in contact with one of the mods and they confirmed it was wrongly removed and restored it, so it was definitely not a unanimous decision - I take my comment back.Budae-jjigae is literally made from hot dog sausages, and the ban is tied to maintaining the cultural divide between North and South Korea. This news shouldn’t be making as much noise as it is, if it wasn’t because of weighted agendas seriously getting concerned. I’m sure you are probably getting a lot of spam to coerce you.
“No you guys, North Korea is actually a utopia!” - Hexbear probably
Radio free asia is NOT a credible source at all
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2BO83Ig-E8E
Not only that, read their wikipedia page… they’re funded by the US government and are a known propaganda mill.
kim jong un is a brutal evil dictator but that source is just nonsense for clicks, I can give more examples of their blatant lies if necessary
for me this only proves that website is garbage.
The RFA-defenders’ only thing is posting mediabiasfactcheck.com over and over again.
Kim Jong Un is a brutal dictator who starves the people of North Korea
Surely they should like him then??
Makes little sense to say he is bad because he “starves the people of North Korea”, and therefore throw your support behind the regime that starved 20% of North Koreans in the 1950s and more with ongoing sanctions.
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How so? Genuinely asking. Is that not a credible source?
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if they ever answer, it’ll be dismissive about how all western media is biased against china/nk/Russia. That’s as close to an explanation of “why it’s fake” as you’ll get.
Look through the modlog for Removed Comments. The answers kesucay is removing talk about how it’s a CIA-linked org with staff appointed by Washington.
And none of them back those claims up. Or actually attack the credibility of the story.
Now then, are you here to defend Kim Jong Un too?
And none of them back those claims up.
“those claims” meaning that RFA is linked to US intelligence/politics?
Are you saying RFA isn’t a branch of US interests? I have never heard anyone make that claim before.
See 1st paragraph: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._Agency_for_Global_Media
38north.org is a pretty decent source on North Korean news.
Or actually attack the credibility of the story.
You have the burden of proof backwards: WHY would anyone believe that “hot dogs are banned in North Korea”. It simply makes no sense. The burden of proof is on the person making the claim.
There’s no reason to think the story is credible. I’ve searched it and it appears RFA posted it in November, then The Sun picked it up 3 days ago. Then various repeaters.
Are you saying RFA isn’t a branch of US interests? I have never heard anyone make that claim before.
No, I’m saying that their reporting and fact-checking is credible.
38north.org is a pretty decent source on North Korean news.
Yes, it certainly appears to be.
You have the burden of proof backwards: WHY would anyone believe that “hot dogs are banned in North Korea”. It simply makes no sense. The burden of proof is on the person making the claim.
Because North Korea’s dictatorship has a well-documented history of atrocities and bizarre, freedom-limiting proclamations. Heck, it’s well-known for banning foods that it considers contrary to its culture, such as sushi, and it’s hard to imagine a more western food than hotdogs.
There’s no reason to think the story is credible. I’ve searched it and it appears RFA posted it in November, then The Sun picked it up 3 days ago. Then various repeaters.
And RFA is credible.
a well-documented history of atrocities and bizarre, freedom-limiting proclamations… it’s well-known for banning foods that it considers contrary to its culture, such as sushi
“well-documented”… then a link to worldpopulationreview.com without a mention of their source??
You are coming across as someone who believes things they read on the internet.
People have done a good job in the more upvoted comments of showing you why you’re jumping to conclusions, but you keep doubling down like you have something to prove.
On closer inspection, everyone who claimed it’s fake is from .ml, and they all post to the same anti-western, pro-fascist subs. I think they’re brigading everywhere this story got posted.
I’ll be banning the lot of them shortly.
It is absolutely a credible source.
https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/radio-free-asia/
I’m not sure what Porcupine is going on about.
i’ve found so many easily verifiably false things on rfa
I’m not sure why you linked that video. The haircut thing wasn’t strictly compulsory, but North Korean state television did, in fact, broadcast a show called Let’s trim our hair in accordance with the socialist lifestyle, along with another show that used hidden cameras to find and shame people whose haircuts didn’t meet their standards.
https://www.rfa.org/english/news/korea/haircut-03262014163017.html that’s not what radio free asia reports… so even if what you’re saying is true, it’s still radio free asia knowingly lying… and if the headline was “dumb socialist tv show tells people to have the same hairstyle as kim jong un” then it loses all impact.
Why doesn’t radio free asia let us verify their claims with the evidence they must have gathered to make the report? Y’know, like a reputable news agency would?
That’s a different story from 2014, not about the 2005 broadcast.
Why doesn’t radio free asia let us verify their claims with the evidence they must have gathered to make the report? Y’know, like a reputable news agency would?
You might as well ask why journalists don’t put targets on the backs of their anonymous sources by publicly identifying them. ALL reputable outlets sometimes use anonymous sources to protect the lives of people living in precarious situations. North Korea is not exactly known for treating citizens who talk negatively about how the government operates there well.
If their source is “some guy said” that’s not a credible report, even with a name.
If their anonymous sources are incapable of gathering evidence anonymously, they are useless sources.
Why don’t they post evidence of their claims, they don’t need to give names or anything?
A name wouldn’t be evidence of anything anyway…
Also the fact that it’s a different story from 2014 ruins your point not the other way around…
Based on what? That you don’t know it?
https://www.rfa.org/english/I don’t see anything particularly wrong with it on the surface.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radio_Free_Asia
The service, which provides editorially independent reporting,[6][7][8][9][10][11] has the stated mission of providing accurate and uncensored reporting to countries in Asia that have poor media environments and limited protections for speech and press freedom.
6 references to the Independent reporting part! Seems pretty OK to me.
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The DW source (which @Lumidaub@feddit.org casts doubt on)
lolno I didn’t. Don’t put words in my mouth.
Imagine defending RFA
Please provide backing for claims that this story is fake and that Radio Free Asia is not credible.
The facts –
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Radio Free Asia was involved in anti-vaxx campaigns in the Philippines
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Radio Free Asia is associated by Radio Free Europe, a CIA operation to smear anti-USA regimes.
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RFA staff are appointed by the government of the USA, known to be hostile to North Korea
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Also, the story is just silly on the face of it and common sense says it’s made-up.
Source for anti-vax claim?
You do know where DW, the one source you provide, gets its money?
The comment thread from this point down is useless.
Source for anti-vax claim?
You do know where DW, the one source you provide, gets its money?
There, wasn’t that easier than debating “whose job” it is to look up Wikipedia?
Source for anti-vax claim?
Buffalox already posted it.
? I’m not going to hunt down whatever you’re referring to.
DW money?
Ah. So you don’t actually have any credible citations to back up your contentions about RFA, you just don’t like them saying true things that put North Korea (!) in a negative light.
Weird to go to bat for an insane dictator, but hey, you do you.
Or rather, I should say, you do you somewhere else. Not here. Bye.
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They banned them for being a dedicated propaganda account for complying with their request. This shows two things:
- Propaganda is when someone says things you disagree with.
- The moderator here lacks integrity.
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No.
https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/radio-free-asia/
I don’t know why you’re trying to claim this is fake, Radio Free Asia is a credible source, and North Korea is ruled by a brutal and insane dictator. This is a credible news story, and it stays.
Mediabiasfactcheck is not exactly unbiased themselves.
They’re self-contradictory in their own assessment here. They find no failed fact checks, yet their accuracy is rated as “High”, not “Very high”. No motivation is provided for this. They also state RFA lists sources, but most articles on North-Korea especially only cite “Residents in the country”, thus not providing anything verifiable. It’s also why most major news outlets don’t use RFA as a source, their stories are not verifiable. It’s mostly sensationalist tabloids like The Sun in this instance that uses them as a source.
Additionally, Wikipedia does mention some failed fact checks, especially concerning anti-vaccine misinformation. See the article here: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radio_Free_Asia under Controversies.
RFA is not a particularly credible source for this reason. It’s basically impossible to prove many of their claims, so scepticism is warranted.
This of course doesn’t detract from the fact that NK is ruled by a nutcase dictator who brutally oppresses his people. But we don’t have to necessarily trust a story with as much credibility as some fanfiction here. This story could well be true, but I don’t want to assume that this is fact based on the nonexistent sourcing.
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So were the hot dogs banned, or Un-banned?
Goddammit that’s too funny.
Kim Jong un-bans hotdogs. 😜
Misread it as “Kim Jong un-bans hotdogs” at first and was confused why cooking them was still an act of treason.
Reddit also censoring people who question the RFA story: https://undelete.pullpush.io/r/worldnews/comments/1hvbo9i/kim_jongun_bans_hotdogs_for_north_koreans_cooking/m5s1grw
“Mmmmmm . . . treason dogs.”
With a side of freedom fries.
Hotdogs/sausages are the perfect food. They are intestine shaped and that’s smart design. Peak art
Other forms of cooking are fine, but boiling hot dogs should be illegal everywhere (grilling is where it’s at, baby). Regardless, calling it treason is a bit much, and pretty weird.
There is something magical about an all-beef dog boiled in Colorado Kool-Aid.
Never heard of Colorado Kool-Aid before. Just looked it up, and it gets a pass. I’d definitely try one of those!
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Okay, time to go. If @kescusay@lemmy.world is not even willing to CONSIDER that RFA might be bullshiting on this picked-up Article from The Sun, then I don’t want to spend my time here.
This is the same shit as with Tankies, just in blue.
Bye then, I guess?
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But veggie dogs are okay, right
lol. like they could afford hot dogs. only one person over there has ever scarfed down hot dogs.
Don’t sneer at hungry people you absolute Westoid.
It’s not even true: North Korea is far wealthier than Haïti (where hotdogs are eaten all the time)
Damn straight. Im the ABSOLUTE! The westoid of westoids. All the westoids wanna be me!
the fuck is a westiod dufus?
I looked at the GDP, both nominal and per capita, for both countries. North Korea’s is nowhere near Haiti’s. North Korea is not wealthier.
Don’t confuse the issue with facts. West bad end of story
“My doctor told me I can’t have em, so now yall can’t either!” - Kim, probably
This is kind of amazing, I was actually, genuinely interested in what the people calling the story “fake” had to say because it’s obviously pretty out there and I have no prior knowledge about the source. Everything I got in response to asking for more information was utter dumbfuckery. Also straight up lies about what I said. Good job with the propaganda, Genossen.
You can basically say wharever you want about North Korea and nobody is going to fact check you (hard to do by the way). And every year or so they are some news about something outrageously stupid, like mandating haircuts with dead penalty.
Everybody on the leftist web has prior knowledge of Radio Free Asia.
Even just look at Wikipedia: "Based on Radio Free Europe/Radio Liberty…with the stated aim of “promoting democratic values and human rights”, and countering the narratives and monopoly on information distribution of the Chinese Communist Party, as well as providing media reports about the North Korean government.… Radio Free Europe was a Cold War anti-communist outlet, “Founded during the Cold War, RFE began in 1949 targeting Soviet satellite states,[8] while RL, established in 1951, focused on the Soviet Union. Initially funded covertly by the CIA…”… Both are owned by “USAGM… considered an arm of U.S. diplomacy.”
Call me stupid but I don’t understand what it is you’re arguing. It doesn’t seem to have any connection to the claims made here.
Be that as it may, have a nice day, good sir/ma’am.
Call me stupid but I don’t understand what it is you’re arguing.
That it is a well-known fact that Radio Free Asia is a branch of the USA’s government that exists to smear the USA’s geopolitical rivals.
Not that it matters since they don’t have any food let alone hot dogs
