Indie Mac/iOS & web developer. Building random fun things using Swift, Ruby and occasionally JavaScript.
I’m mostly hanging out on Bluesky these days and hacking things on the AT Protocol, so follow me there 😎
@Kirk There generally aren’t open signup PDSes yet, because nobody has stepped up yet to run one, because you can easily get all kinds of spammers and bad people signing up on it and then they’re your problem… There is e.g. Blacksky PDS for black people and Turtle Island PDS for Native American people, but I don’t know if you qualify. And there are few others where you can sign up/migrate to by asking the author, but you generally need to be on Bluesky first to do that.
@Kirk sorry, I think I confused two threads, I need to see on the computer what I wrote to whom…
@Kirk Sigh, I’m not evading… I don’t know what else I can tell you.
You said you thought it was open source. I showed you links to GitHub. I said they aren’t censoring the entire network, just the official client. You said you wanted proof and to show you how you can view a Bluesky post in Mississippi. I showed you two custom clients that you can access from MS and one of those you can sign up through.
@Kirk Are you talking about reading posts or making posts or what? You said “produce a BlueSky post that is available in Mississippi”, you can view that link in Mississippi.
@Kirk Ok, how about this here: https://deer.social/profile/bsky.app/post/3lwzadikbrc2u
@Kirk Are you there or do you have a VPN there? I have no way of checking how things are looking from those IPs (ProtonVPN has some US addresses, but none in that state)
@Kirk they aren’t censoring the entire network, just their official client app for it
@underscores Yeah. But doable for basically any company/org or an enthusiast with money to spare.
@underscores @lily33 There have been multiple people testing this just this week, and it’s more like ~$200 price level than a car price 🙃
@skullgiver @haui_lemmy @fediverse As for banning, they haven’t written an explicit documentation on this yet, but generally it can be done on a few layers depending on the offence:
- labelling you via Bluesky official moderation service, in a way that can be ignored
- giving you a “force hide” label that can’t be ignored
- suspending your account on a Bsky-hosted PDS
- preventing their AppView from indexing you
- preventing their Relay from indexing your account or whole PDS
@skullgiver @haui_lemmy @fediverse Yeah, I think that’s a pretty good overview, with the caveat that a lot of this is currently theoretical since nobody runs alternative AppViews and relays yet. (I’m planning to build a proof-of-concept in the coming months, though I don’t really intend to run a public one.)
@hoshikarakitaridia @Blaze @fediverse I think the main reason is that this solves a lot of UX problems that Fedi has because of its architecture, things like:
- thread comments, like counts, follower lists not being consistent between instances
- not being able to easily interact with content that’s not already cached on your instance
- user/post search not working globally, for the same reason
On Bluesky, the AppView indexes all that, and you load threads, feeds and do search through there.
@Blaze @ada @fediverse There is a small number of personal PDSes, plus Bridgy’s one: https://blue.mackuba.eu/directory/pdses, but right now there aren’t really any public open-signup ones, because they’re limiting them to 10 users per PDS in this phase (I mean you can create more, but they won’t be seen by the Bluesky relay). They implied that the network/software is not yet ready for this yet at this point, because a lot of things are still in flux (e.g. they’re adding OAuth now).
@BeAware @xnx @fediverse I’m with you on this one, I think it’s important to eventually have non-Bluesky-owned infrastructure alternatives even if a lot of people don’t care about it… I hope we’ll get there
@xnx @ccoremapd @fediverse It was an unofficial term until recently, but they seem to be adopting it a bit more officially right now, see e.g. here https://atproto.com and in the “Glossary” section. But I think this will stay a developer-targeted term, I don’t think they’ll use it in such context as “Sign in with your ATmosphere account” (but they don’t really dictate to third parties right now how they should phrase this on their side).
@BeAware @Blaze @fediverse There’s a small number of self-hosted personal PDSes (https://blue.mackuba.eu/directory/pdses), but the system isn’t really open yet to running larger ones with open signup. The Bluesky Relay doesn’t currently accept more than 10 users on one PDS (with exceptions like Bridgy).
Technically anyone can run a parallel Relay and/or AppView, and hopefully that will happen, but nobody has done it yet so far (Whitewind/Frontpage are kind of different services on the same protocol).
@Kirk The Tangled ATProto app (GitHub alternative) now allows signups on their PDS, so you should be able to sign up here: https://tangled.sh/signup, and then you have an ATProto account that you can use to log in to Bluesky using e.g. the deer.social client. And then you’re in and you can read entire Bluesky and post to it.