I made the argument that humans are animals, not that all animals are exactly alike. But maybe I need to hone my phrasing.

I’m out here arguing that the pain and suffering that a human would feel from being abused like an animal is no different from the pain livestock animals feel from the way we treat them. What you are trying to say is that because animals cannot read, speak or enjoy theatre, their cries of pain can be ignored.

Don’t know where I said that, so good flex on your deduction skills.

No such difference that warrants the treatment we give them. Sure, they can’t read, they don’t speak a sophisticated language etc. How does that influence their capability to feel pain? Boredom? Fear? Isolation? Saying “animals are just animals” really makes me wonder, what do you think makes us so different that we don’t deserve to be subjugated to physical and mental torture?

Some rich doof will think “workers are just workers, they don’t deserve the same consideration educated people do”. How would you argue against this logic? Because it’s humans? But humans are also animals, how can we arbitrarily exclude ourselves from that group?

Maybe you should care about animals? If it’s morally defensible to abuse whom you don’t care about, then all anyone has to do is not care about you to be free to abuse you.

Time traveled just to go fuck yourself

Again, none of the cost, access, cultural norms, digestive tolerances etc. would matter to people if animal products tasted like shit. People would not be making an argument “i eat this horrible product three times a day because it’s my culture”. They eat it because they like the taste. This conversation could be over and done with much faster if people admitted this. And what other options are we talking about? Also, for most people diet is a big part of their carbon footprint, health issues, not to mention the suffering of the animals. This is not deniable science, and if you disagree with this, then I’m sure no argument in the world could ever reach you.

Because replacing animal products with plant products is so very easy. 🙂 I think of it as minimal effort for maximum difference. Concerning other domains where we also choose pleasure over consideration, I would argue the “other options” are not so readily available.

The argument has always been precisely to re-examine what we believe is morally justifiable. It’s no surprise that someone who supports animal agriculture finds it morally plausible - it would be stranger if they didn’t find it morally plausible while continuing to support it. People make loads of arguments in favor for continuing to consume animal products, but the most revealing question is - what if all animal products tasted like sand? Does any of the claimed nutritional value arguments or tradition or w/e really feel well argued if you are defending something that both tastes incredibly bad, and is as harmful as animal agriculture is?

Not all land can indeed grow crops, but hysterically much more fertile land is wasted on animal agriculture. Pointing out marginal factors like they paint the whole picture is misleading.

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Me when solein is finally commercially available for human consumption

So much this 😭

Lemon essential oil for removing stickers.

I prefer to have my daily white bone support in the form of cocaine!

Oli uusi tieto toi Signalin tempaus. Aika vakuuttava, olisi varmasti herätellyt ihmisiä jos olisi saanut jatkua pidempään.

Kiitos! Täytyy tähänkin ominaisuuteen tutustua, enpä ollut kuullutkaan moisesta.

Jes, ja kiitokset kokemusten jaosta! Tämä tekee toiveikkaaksi. Ja kiva kun mainitsit merkkejäkin. Hinta ei tosiaan tule olemaan tässä hankinassa kovinkaan painava kriteeri. Harkitsin jossain vaiheessa sellaisen useamman sadan euron “hupun” hankkimista (jonka pitäisi aueta pään suojaksi jos pää meinaa kolahtaa johonkin), mutta koska en ymmärtänyt alkuunkaan miten se edes voisi toimia, en uskaltanut siihen rahojani laittaa.

What a precious monochrome nugget

Voi hitsi, mä olin ajatellut, et tää olis joku tosi tumma ja irstaan kuuloinen biisi. Enemmänkin tuli mieleen joku lastenlaulu jos en kieltä ymmärtäisi… 😵‍💫