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  • I agree on the moral bottom line: bigotry is bigotry, and it isn’t excused by someone’s past.

    Where we disagree is whether the “why” matters. I’m not asking for pity or moral credit; I’m talking about causality because prevention requires understanding how these beliefs form and get reinforced. “Explanation” isn’t “justification.”

    If you’re claiming trauma can’t be a contributing factor in any case, that’s a stronger claim than “it doesn’t excuse it,” and I don’t think it’s self-evident. Fear and threat-perception can shape ideology, and some people channel that into scapegoating. Especially so when insulated by wealth, platform, and echo chambers.

    Also, bringing up genocide shifts the topic from mechanisms of prejudice to extreme hypotheticals. The point stands without that comparison.

    If you don’t want to discuss causes at all, that’s your call. If so, we’re not actually disagreeing about accountability, just about whether analysis is worth doing.


  • Are you saying I’m making a hasty generalization?

    I’m not claiming “survivors become bigots.” I’m talking about this case: it’s plausible her assault left her with fear that she later converted into ideology. Becoming extremely wealthy then gave her the platform and the insulation to reinforce that fear in an echo chamber until it hardened into vitriol. None of which removes her responsibility.

    Bigots come from all kinds of backgrounds for all kinds of reasons. In her case, trauma + power + echo-chambering instead of healing seems like a plausible pathway.

    And to be clear: none of us has the information to know whether she held these views before the assault, and we definitely can’t know the counterfactual of who she would’ve become without it.









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    That or we teach the the Marie Kondo method with some SEL.

    “Let’s understand that Derek has given us all that he has. We appreciate his help in our learning and must say goodbye and thank you.”

    “Everyone, remember, if we are like Derek we to can get worn out and be replaced. Thus you must seize the means of production.”



  • Sure. But the issue is the sample size is naturally large so the Central Limit Theorem applies.

    As such, the population of the US as a whole is likely normally distributed. Thus the outliers are normalized and this should not skew anything.

    140k/4 is about 35k a person. Since a household of 4 assume 2 kids and kids consume a median of 30k a year not including housing you are limiting each adult to about 40k a year pre tax. Tax is going to consume about 50k so that’s 30k for 2 adults for the year. Housing costs at 1800 a month for a 2 bedroom eat up about another 20k.

    This leaves 10k for food, clothes, etc.

    Assuming I didn’t jack up my math (bad assumption even if I teach finance as a living), there is simply not enough money to really enjoy life. At 80k you are living on a 60k deficit, which means you rely heavily on the good grace of others to function.