• SimplyKnorax@sh.itjust.works
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      3 years ago

      Sounds a lot like “it’s not my problem until it actually affects me personally”.

      I don’t know why people want to avoid paying as little taxes as possible when it basically improves the infrastructures/services in their own communities.

      • MomoTimeToDie@sh.itjust.works
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        3 years ago

        Sounds a lot like “it’s not my problem until it actually affects me personally”.

        That is, fundamentally, the definition of “my problem”. If I’m not effected, it isn’t my problem, simply by nature of not effecting me. Not exactly sure what point you’re trying to make with it.

        I don’t know why people want to avoid paying as little taxes as possible when it basically improves the infrastructures/services in their own communities

        Because I have little interest in community services and infrastructure.

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          3 years ago

          I mean, when you consider the US government spends more (almost twice as much) on healthcare per capita than most countries with free healthcare, you’re literally paying more taxes for it AND you have to shell out 50k$ when something bad happens.

          Your only argument is “Taxes bad” even when we’re talking about a system that would actually cost less taxes, just because it has a side effect of also helping less fortunate people.

          How much more egocentric can you get lmao

          • MomoTimeToDie@sh.itjust.works
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            3 years ago

            you’re literally paying more taxes for it AND you have to shell out 50k$ when something bad happens

            And yet my taxes are significantly lower than if I were in any of the countries with socialized systems.

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              3 years ago

              Not unless you’re in like Arizona or Florida or other shit low-taxes states full of freedumb.

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                  3 years ago

                  Nah what I’m saying is that most states’ taxation rates are pretty close to what you’d get in other developed countries.

                  Except pretty much every other developed country has cheap healthcare and education. The US is truly alone in this, and it shows, because the US also has some of the worst inequalities of the modern world.

    • Varyk@sh.itjust.worksOP
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      3 years ago

      You don’t want health care, social security or education?

      You think that right now your taxes are only paying for things you want?

      You’d rather pay $33000 for an emergency appendectomy you had no preparation for than $4000?

      • MomoTimeToDie@sh.itjust.works
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        3 years ago

        You don’t want health care, social security or education?

        Not to the extent that I would be paying in taxes under a socialized system, no.

        You think that right now your taxes are only paying for things you want?

        Lack of perfection is not an excuse for not pursuing improvement.

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          3 years ago

          Implying you would rather pay an extra 30k for a surgery.

          There’s no “extent”. You get the same or better services(France is ranked 7th in healthcare, US is 30th worldwide), but far cheaper.

          https://ceoworld.biz/2021/04/27/revealed-countries-with-the-best-health-care-systems-2021/

          Lack of perfection blah blah…

          Thank you, this is my point: Other countries are doing healthcare and education better than the US, cheaper for everyone, with less bureaucracy and better results.

          • MomoTimeToDie@sh.itjust.works
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            Implying you would rather pay an extra 30k for a surgery.

            Absolutely, considering the absolutely gargantuan savings over time.

            Other countries are doing healthcare and education better than the US, cheaper for everyone

            It’s hardly cheaper, unless you’re the type to just pretend taxes don’t count