• givesomefucks@lemmy.world
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        They borrowed our real money from banks without us having any say in it, based on imaginary valuations of what someone would hypothetically spend for their mountain of shares based on the price the tiny slice for sale is worth…

        A complete and utter disregard for supply side economics.

        If any of them actually have to sell to pay back the loan, they go bankrupt and the bank can’t collect.

        That makes every other bank individually panic and call all their loans in to try and get what they can.

        Banks doing a run on banks. Then everyone’s going to try and pull their money out when banks starting going bust.

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          I’m just waiting for when they have to sell off all that depreciating silicone (SSD/HDD/RAM). Just hope they don’t throw it all in a landfill with the ET Atari carts out of spite.

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            Nope, that shit will flood the market, but it’s all been run hot for as long as possible, well, the stuff that actually went into data centers. Some of the shit that’s been “sold” hasn’t been made yet, because the data centers are still being built, on land that’s still being stolen through eminent domain.

            Except, some of those data centers will be given over to government and corporate surveillance of, well, everyone. Surveillance that will then be used to enact violence on people. It already is.

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      I was just thinking the same. Most of what’s bad about AI just leads back to the wealthy elite being greedy hoarders.

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        Yup. AI is just the logical conclusion of unregulated capitalism. When you can’t exploit the workers any further, you replace them with machines.

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    I don’t think there is any wealth there, just undeserved trust that allows them to raise money through debt.

    If you seize that, then the debtors will come calling for higher risk premium and the venture implodes - sooner than they otherwise would.

    So maybe it is a good idea anyway.

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      “5 more years, bro. I know I know, just 5 MORE years bro and we’ll have AGI on the moon bro, no idea how to monetize it but just 5 additional years bro!”

      How the heck does this keep generating cash flow? Are investors really this stupid?

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        Trump is in fact our most communist president.

        I think “nationalist” is the word you’re looking for.

        The Nazis did the same shit, and despite the name, they were not socialist.

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          Looking it up, Bytedance still gets half the profit from TikTok and the rest is distributed to Oracle, Silver Lake, and MGX, so, no, no profits are going into the US treasury.

          And it’s also observed, capturing TikTok may just be the same move as the German Reich to turn media into a state-sanctioned mouthpiece. But I don’t know who determines the parameters of the TikTok algo.

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            I remember vaguely that algo was supposed to be in the hands of Oracle, otherwise it doesn’t make any sense.

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    lol who’s gonna seize it? Trump government? America is cooked. I’m starting to think America’s future is either going to be a very isolated authoritarian dystopia or state separation. No one likes each other and everyone argues over a the most simple things. Human rights, work rights doesn’t exist if you’re not filthy rich. Manipulation is so bad that if trump says the sky is green, tomorrow idiots are going to believe it’s actually green.

    Idk man. I really wish they’d take billionaires monies and build houses hospitals but never going to happen.

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    What wealth? The AI industry is probably the most debt-laden venture in the entire history of currency, and has failed spectacularly and repeatedly to demonstrate any viable path to profitability. There’s no wealth to take, and there never will be.

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      Scrap the shit for parts or raw materials then. I’ll take $5 and the death of AI data centers any day.

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        I want the billionaires involved to be disgraced and stripped of their ill-gotten gains as well. Id est, accountability and justice.

        If not that, 🪟🔪⚜️ and seizure of the assets, placed in the national treasury and used to fund social programs.

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      probably the most debt-laden venture in the entire history of currency

      So our currency is working exactly as intended! :-P

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      Should probably just license them. They can pay for the license. $100 million/month, $1.19 billion if they get the whole year.

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    They seize wealth from us

    Trump accounts are now mandatory for all children born after 1/1/25. They were briefly optional and you chose if you wanted them while filing taxes

    Trump accounts give the kid $1000 no strings attached and it’s loaded into an index (SPYM) made up of nvidia, apple, amazon, Microsoft, meta, tesla, micron, and alphabet class a (google).

    On a surface read this is great, trump is giving free money to children for education planning.

    But realistically it’s money laundering to fund their pump and dump. About 3.6-3.7 million children are born in the USA each year over the past few years (declining from a 2007 peak of 4.1). About 9% of those are undocumented, leaving about 3.25-3.3 million. This money isn’t free and doesn’t come from nowhere, it’s about 3.3 billion dollars of taxpayer money (yearly) to pump directly into AI companies and other grossly overvalued tech that’s propped up by making the overwhelming majority of retirement accounts contingent on its value (eg tesla)

    In a typical 529 you have much more say in how investments are spread (with notable limitations) but the trump account is spym only.

    Further, while 3.3 billion is barely anything in the scheme of the economy or even openais apparent (bloated) value, it’s to prime the pump to get more working class dollars in these companies. The 529 your child is given is essentially worthless if you make no contributions (at least in the context of education). Even maxing yearly contributions (5k/yr) from 0-18 with a prediction based on somewhat idealized returns would make the account worth ~$170,000 at 18, which is often not nearly enough to pay for college now, let alone in almost 2 decades. But it means a decent portion of Americans with children are pumping more of their cash into this bubble for their children’s education.

    This is not even touching on the other gross things, like robinhood being the default and only servicer of these plans, which almost certainly is because of a fat bribe as they are the scummiest brokerage that preys on wallstreetbets gambler type retail investors.

    Despite this it’s better than sending another 3 billion dollars of bombs for Israel to do genocide with, I guess

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      Where are you getting the information that they’re mandatory? Everything I can find shows them to be voluntary.

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        From the Trump Account website:

        You can elect to open a Trump Account for your eligible children using IRS Form 4547. You can fill out and submit the form right in the Trump Accounts app, when you file your taxes, or through the secure IRS website called Individual Online Accounts, or IOLA.

        Nor can I find anything making them mandatory.

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    They seize our water and energy, so fuck em. They can explode for all I care, as can all the sell outs who work in them.

    Also, please tell everyone you see that there is lots of copper in those data centers.