You wouldn’t think of a European community of being so insanely pro Russia, yet on every single post mentioning Russia, any negative comments about Russia or their government will get downvoted to hell, some people get banned. I would not be surprised if I am banned or downvoted for posting this. People who are not just blatantly spamming Kremlin propaganda, please say why you are so pro Russia, to someone confused.
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When someone posts something and the response is “this is Russian propaganda” instead of addressing it they get downvoted. Or banned if they pair it with insults against users.
There’s selective outrage on Russia when the EU and NA are genociding all over the world. You post BBC (British state media) and nobody bats an eye. But you post RT and every Liberal loses their mind.
The reason many people feel weirded out is because these perspectives are banned from Reddit and most other Liberal spaces and therefore people learn to self-censor and to tell others not to talk about it.
Well, as with the latest ruling by the Court of Justice of the European Union on case C-67/25, sharing sanctioned media on open sites like this one, will make you, personally as a user or as an operator of the service, liable before a criminal court. Why? Because it‘s deemed Russian propaganda.
it’s all about the economic situation. large masses of people were wealthy in the US in 1960 and people saw that and said “well, here in the west it works well for us” (somehow without owning the means of production) meanwhile there’s just soo many stories about long food-lines and general poverty in the former sovjet union. talk to anyone from romania and they will shout your ears full how much they hate the sovjet union.
so, do you think it’s fair that lots of people have a pro-western bias?
i recognize that the US is rapidly enshittifying people’s economic situation these days. this is mostly a historical contemplation. the future will be different than the past.
i recognize that the US is rapidly enshittifying people’s economic situation these days
Since it’s inception through it’s long campaign of perpetrating, funding, and backing colonialism, neocolonialism, and imperialism across the periphery.
I’ve got a story of 500 trucks waiting in line to feed people in a concentration camp but the West blocking them from entering.
Here’s a meme from the front page today
A lot of time you find yourself defending the truth. Russia is a state enemy of the US-Western hegemony which controls the largest and most expensive propaganda machine that’s ever been created.
Honest question from a non-communist, based on your reply here. Does one need to support Putin to be a Marxist?
In a word, no. In a few more words, support for Russia (not Putin, as historical materialists don’t subscribe to great man theory) is only a partial, temporary, tactical one, in the context of imperialist liberation. Russia is still a capitalist state, though, so it’s a two stage strategy: first liberate colonized bourgeois states from colonizer states, and second revolution within those liberated bourgeois states.
Russia is an interesting case: it has already liberated itself from the post-Soviet “shock therapy” neocolonizers. This occurred during Putin’s administration, which is why he is especially hated by the US. So now the support for Russia is in the context of keeping the colonizers from recolonizing it, and supporting Russia to the extent that it helps other states liberate themselves. But Russia isn’t trying to “liberate” Ukraine, at least not all of Ukraine. It’s trying to resolve the genocidal attacks on the people of the Donbas, and it’s trying to resolve the imperialist military expansion at its border.
Russia is in a contest with European empire and basically has been for centuries. Napoleon invaded Russia. The Americans invaded Russia. The Germans invaded Russia.
Did they do this because Russia is inherently “bad”? No. They did it to advance European empire. In the case of the Germans and the Americans, they explicitly did it to stop the working class from holding power and directing their own government to develop along the communist path.
Russia became capitalist and liberal and then it tried to join the Western Empire. It really thought it could be part of the club that rules the world so brutally and violently. But the West rebuffed Russia multiple times and then demonstrated that they had not yet given up their goal of subjugating Russia and exploiting it for resources. So Russia took up the position, finally, that the West cannot be trusted and that Russia must prevent the West from ever being able to subjugate it.
In the current contest between Russia and Ukraine, everyone in the political spheres understands this as a proxy war between Russia and the West. US military leaders have said it, NATO leaders have said it. It’s not a Russian expansionist project. It’s a proxy war, which is how the West has been fighting with Russia for at least 6 decades. This is not a wild claim. It’s a historically continuous one.
In a contest between Russia and the West, we want Russia to win. Because the alternative is that the West expands its empire to include the vast territory, resources, and peoples of Russia. This would be very bad for the whole world (except white people in the Empire). The evidence for that is plain to see. What Europe and its colonies have done to the world is beyond the largest evil the world has ever seen.
In the end, we are forced into a brutal calculus - do we support the end of the Western empire or do we support the continuation of the Western empire? If we support the end of the Western empire, we have to acknowledge that we support the Empire’s enemies. And if we would rather oppose the Empire’s enemies, we have to acknowledge that we therefore support the expansion and maintenance of the empire. There is, unfortunately, no alternative.
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You can explain why you think it’s baffling. I don’t think it’s pointless
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Please read Yogthos reply here: https://lemmy.ml/post/49690377/26558932
It basically encapsulates most of the important reasoning.
Why do we support Iran against the US? Objectively Iran is a theocracy that is socially backwards, it oppresses women, it oppresses LGBTQ people, it has a reactionary social character. Why then do we support it? Because it is the lesser evil. And importantly we would support it if it aggressed first against the zionist entity because it’s not about aggression or simplistic victim/aggressor dynamics but about liberation for the region and the world. And because Iran exists the way it does today because of western meddling and it cannot move beyond its present character as long as the west is there serving as a foil. Take away that, take away the zionist entity and the aggression and siege situation, allow development and these things have an opportunity to change.
Anyways you use the term “totalitarian” which was itself invented by a Nazi apologist zionist to equate communism to Nazism. But why do you suppose that Russia is this but the west with its vast surveillance nets, its ICE, its camera systems, its global communications intercept network run by the eyes groups with NSA, GCHQ, and its brutal wars with atrocities against civilians across the middle east is not? I mean you can be arrested in Britain for the most trivial of things. You can be sent to prison for saying “I support Palestine Action” while peacefully protesting. How is it that these countries are not also “totalitarian” but Russia is? It cannot be and people only think that way because of propaganda. You have been blinded to the police state and brutality of the west while the brutality of Russia is hyped up, they hide the atrocities and human rights violations of the west and play down the problems while playing up, highlighting every instance and pounding the drums in your ears that scream “this is totalitarianism” to convince you of this fact.
Kleptocracy is also a meaningless term to communists. It’s almost like a slur which is selectively applied to the designated “bad guys”. All capitalist nations are run under a dictatorship of capital and capitalists to serve their interests. This is true in Russia and it is true in the US. If some places are a little more brazen with their corruption and others a little better at hiding it behind “lobbying” that doesn’t change the essential character in our opinion. People starve and sleep on the streets in every major US city while the wealthy sit atop their 12th mansion and party with models and use private jets to private islands. The wealthy do things like rape children and get a slap on the wrist because prison would be bad for them. The wealthy run pedophile networks like Jeffery Epstein and the government buries the evidence and ensures no one is held to account while fabricating lies about what really happened. They crash the economy like in 2008 and the government bails them out while shafting the average person. Does that sound like “kleptocracy”? Because that’s the US. Russian capitalist elites are no different, they steal from the people, they live lavishly while others suffer, they commit crimes and use connections to get away with it. It’s no different.
Russia is no more a kleptocratic police state than any other. The reason your metaphor is “anime villain” is because your understanding is cartoonish. Russia is a real country with a long history and over 140 million people. It has a total all-in police budget of $47B. The USA has ~350M people and an all-in police budget of $237B.
Russia’s per capita incarceration rate is significantly lower than the US. Russia recidivism rate is significantly lower than the US.
Essentially on all metrics you could measure a police state, the US is worse than Russia.
But of course, people will argue, just because the US is worse doesn’t mean that we can ignore Russia’s problems. And we don’t. We just understand that in a contest between Russia, who primarily has conflicts at its borders, and the US who primarily has conflicts in the periphery of the world where it does immense harm, we support any and all back pressure against the US even if that means a corrupt and violent state like Russia wins that contest.
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I don’t think it’s you being salty. I’m sure you can find point by point differences for everything, because every country is individually quite different. It doesn’t do anything about the macro perspective. Domestic policy is nearly irrelevant to the larger geopolitical contest.
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For any people reading this, it’s basic but holy shit It’s seem too advanced for poor western brain: Communist doesn’t need to only support communists and doesn’t need to support everything that a communists do, it’s not RED vs BLUE for fuck sake, if it’s was no communist would support Palestine.
However, a communist friend of mine did say that aligning with groups that oppose “Western Imperialism” was deliberately part of the the communist party’s strategy, as in, any effort that can undermine it should be supported, overlooking everything else. Hence why you won’t ever see them talk ill publicly of Iran, North Korea, Russia, China, etc.
The only reason people withold criticising those countries on some issues is because the West will use that as a pretext to genocide them. It’s like discussing “how to improve the Jewish community” during the Holocaust.
Those things can wait until the countries have finally liberated themselves from Western imperialism. Without that they’ll never be able to take any serious steps before being moved back to the start.
Coincidentally that’s also the reason most Westerners are conditioned to constantly talk ill of those countries. They have to liberate
IraqAfghanistanSyriaLibyaIranAn excellent article about this pertaining the Middle-East: Arabs and Muslims: The Real Victims of Modern Antisemitism
Yes, some communists do support some of that but not because of ideology but for a strategic reason, the part of “overlooking everything else” is completely bullshit.
Hence why you won’t ever see them talk ill publicly of Iran, North Korea, Russia, China, etc.
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You won’t see communists to that much because liberals already do that endlessly for all the wrong reasons.
That “communist” ‘friend’ either never heard of critical support, or vastly misunderstands it.
I generally support Russia. And Ukraine. Because the more resources spent on the pointless war the fewer resources can be spent internally in those countries to resist popular revolution.
It’s not overlooking the bad that either government does, it is simply supporting them and the actions they perform that happen to align with the wider goal of global revolution.
to over simplify it , Russia is currently fighting the US empire and its cronies through a proxy and maybe directly in the future
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Reality has a pro russia bias
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Coudln’t be more mistaken. I am also a socialist, yet I don’t support any imperialism, American, European, or Russian. Just because one type of imperialism is against the other, older type of imperialism does not make it right
I suggest reading “Imperialism the (current, at the time) Highest Stage of Capitalism” by Lenin, it might help give you a better idea of what Imperialism actually is, note: Russia is Capitalist right now, but not Imperialist. The only Imperialist countries in the world right now are all Capitalist ones, and they are all allied against the Global South. Any countries fighting back against this Imperialist Bloc are fighting an Anti-Imperialist fight.
The Imperialist countries in question are the usual gang, US, UK, Canada, Germany, France, Japan, Australia, ETC. basically the countries you are taught are “good countries” are actually bad countries, and the countries you are taught are “bad countries” are actually good countries (give or take, overly simplestic)
You are confused about what imperialism is. Imperialism is not having border disputes. Ukraine did not exist until the USSR created it, it’s name is literally “borderland” (ukrainia, krai = border). Russia has been involved in a number of military conflicts, all of them at its borders. The US, meanwhile has had 5 times as many military conflicts as Russia has had since 1992 and those conflicts are all not on the US border. They are not border disputes, they are extractive dominance projects.
The RF has stated that the reason it took Crimea and the reason it is taking the Donbas is NATO expansion. You don’t have to believe them, but you do have to look at the history.
Ukraine and NATO had no involvement in Ukraine until late 2013. In late 2013, NATO and Ukraine held their first join military exercise. A few months later, the Yanukovich government fled the country when a group of armed right wingers invaded parliament. That’s a coup, by definition. It was at that moment that Russia chose to take Crimea - not because it was proactively engaged in a imperialist ambitions but because it was reacting to the changing conditions on its border. Crimea specifically was strategically critical for Russian defense because of Sevastapol and the Black Sea. That was pure reactive chess, not imperialism.
The SMO in the Donbas was stated to be for the same reason. NATO movements on the border had become indistinguishable from genuine military threats and Russian national security couldn’t survive that. If we look at the history, we see that from 2014 onward NATO and Ukraine greatly increased their military integration, with Ukraine cedeing more and more sovereignty over to NATO. It was a game of chicken, ultimately, and the US and Ukraine were both monitoring Russian reactions continuously because they were fully aware that what they were doing would eventually provoke Russia. They were very open about the fact that “security” did not include Russia and that any Russian security concerns could be dismissed out of hand. That’s exactly how you create security crises. And that’s what happened.
Imperialism is not when one country responds to nuclear provocations at its border by partially invading another country and holding territory that has significant historical overlap with changing borders. Imperialism is when you use your economic dominance to create vassal states and then use their economic subjugation to create political subjugation and then use that political subjugation to expand your own military at the expense of the vassal’s sovereignty and security. Ukraine is in ruins because of American imperialist ambitions.
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can you stop talking like you’re on fucking reddit and actually formulate a proper response?
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okay great, i don’t think this conversation is going to be productive, so i wont respond to any more of your comments, have a good day
I unfortunately have to agree that conversations with @jackeroni@lemmy.ml are seldom productive, because they’re more interested in trolling liberals than reaching them. Previously.
Russia is absolutely imperialist, not communist! China is economically imperialist too!
Lol, when you know what words mean
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