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Also “free speech” that doesn’t apply to corporate platforms. Which is, you know, all of them. Love when a liberal says “that doesn’t count, they’re a private business” whenever you point out the blatant censorship in the West.
and this logic applies even within bourgeoisie political parties https://observer.com/2017/08/court-admits-dnc-and-debbie-wasserman-schulz-rigged-primaries-against-sanders/
Whole fuckin country is a private business
Well private entities should always allowed to choose what content they want to platform. It’s only a problem if we used these privately owned platform as an official communications channel (like government relying on X to announce stuffs).
That’s not the only time it’s a problem. It’s mainly a problem because these privately owned platforms control so much communication.
Valid criticism, but let’s not pretend socialism leads to better outcomes for freedom of speech or press either.
Freedom of press only applies to the wealthy, how do I benefit from it as a worker when all media in my country perpetuates comprador propaganda and I’m too poor to make my own press?
For sure— I’m not saying freedom of press actually exists under capitalism.
My point is that socialism doesn’t have freedom of press either. Censorship and surveillance by the vanguard state (see China, Cuba, historical USSR) is routine.
“Dictatorship of the proletariat”. Unfortunately, dictatorships do not have a tendency to allow for freedom of press.
The proletariat is the majority in most if not all societies, arguing the dictatorship of the proletariat is undemocratic merely because the word “dictatorship” doesn’t make sense. Democracy is [ideally, not what it is in practice] is a dictatorship of the majority, and the proletariat are the majority, surely you see how saying democracy is undemocratic makes no sense.
States are instruments of oppression weilded by classes, they are all “dictatorships” in the sense that a class oppresses the other; the question in state is, is it the capitalists oppressing the working class, or the other way around
Except in practice it’s not proletarians doing these things, it’s bureaucrats who end up forming their own class and class interests in the name of the proletariat. The average proletariat isn’t actually the one who makes these rules or checks or applies censorships. See China, USSR, Cuba.
There shouldn’t be classes to begin with. Eliminating hierarchies in lieu of anarchism deals with the issue without it being “another dictatorship”
forming their own class and class interests in the name of the proletariat.
That’s not how class works, it’s not like starting a new club. Class is defined by your relationship to production, not some nebulous title like “beauraucrats”
There shouldn’t be classes to begin with.
Genuinely, what is your suggested approach to rectifying this and what real world data is it based on? How do you expect to abolish class without a clear understanding of what creates it? How would a scientist expect to cure a disease without understanding what it is?
That’s the socialist definition of class, that is not how I understand class.
I didn’t say it’s like “starting a new club”.
Calling bureaucracy “nebulous” doesn’t invalidate any of the reasoning I provided.
Suggested approach: anarchism.
I didn’t disregard the importance of understanding class, merely that I disagreed with the reductive socialist definition of class.
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Didn’t they ban factions (perhaps this was Stalin’s time)?
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It’s related to the subject of fascism and censorship
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Ok so the points coming to mind areas follows: The censorship in the USSR.
This doesn’t seem to align with my understanding of the USSR. Didn’t the USSR fail horribly, leading to its collapse? Bureaucratic corruption, inefficiency, not being able to compete internationally, and the oppression of marginalized populations (such as queer people ) had been my impression of the USSR’s legacy.
As for the last point, that comes off as hypocritical since communist countries do the same thing. North Korea has executions and Cuba throws journalists in jail.
Also, all those brands of shampoo are owned by one or two firms.
I’ve just realized that this is much like having multiple identities.
A way to deceive market reputation mechanisms.
Should be made illegal, there should be one main brand seen on everything, then whatever secondary brand they want is possible, but you should clearly see that those 3 niche-optimized goods are from one corp.
So that the choice were, eh, real.
Which shareholders are majority Black Rock and Vanguard group so it doesn’t matter what company because they have the same owners anyway and that goes for 90% of all publicly traded companies globally so yeah
Not “somehow”. Quite easily. Advertising works. People are easily influenced. It wasn’t sudden; it happened little by little over a long time.
Freedom is when toothbrush.
“Ha nice try! That is not real capitalism! You think workplaces would just give workers health insurance under a free market? They would just tell sick workers to figure it out themselves and replace them with healthy ones if needed!”
“Some of the first evidence of compulsory health insurance in the United States was in 1915, through the progressive reform protecting workers against medical costs and sicknesses in industrial America. Prior to this, within the Socialist and Progressive parties, health insurance and coverage was framed as not only an economic right for workers’ health, but also as an employer’s responsibility and liability—healthcare was in this context centered on working-class Americans and labor unions.” (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_insurance_in_the_United_States#The_rise_of_employer-sponsored_coverage)
If it would have stopped at “quit a job you hate” the example wouldn’t have been USian-only and I could relate, while also setting a much better standard for freedom.
Lots of countries tie basic rights like health to your job though
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Let’s move on.
How does holding China accountable for what it currently lacks look like to you?
