Seriously, I never understood why conservatives who are genuinely concerned about national security issues haven’t been more open to moving to an electrified transportation system. We don’t have a ton of oil here. Its extraction is costly and dangerous, so we’re largely reliant upon foreign oil. That means we’re vulnerable to exploitation by oil producing countries. We keep shooting ourselves in the foot… and we keep insisting on using a shotgun.
Seriously, I never understood why conservatives who are genuinely concerned about national security issues
They’re not. That’s just a dog-whistle for racism, imperialism, or at best, generic authoritarianism.
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Huh, weird. I drive my EV in rural areas occasionally and it works just fine.
On a more serious note, a level 2 charger (which is basically a dryer outlet) can get you up to 60mph of charging. Some back of the napkin math says my car would do ~40mph. Assuming you sleep about 8hrs a night, you’re looking at 320 miles of range every night. Imagine waking up to a full tank of gas in your car every day, and that whole tank cost like 10 bucks?
Unless you are away out in the West, an EV would do fine.
- Yeah, and all the fracking fields as the other commenter pointed out, so I concede the “ton part” but it is still expensive and difficult to extract.
- Thats an infrastructure issue.
- dummies gonna dumb.
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Oh… and I definitely appreciate the woodworking point. The scarcity of hardwood sawmills definitely makes sourcing quality stock. Lowe’s and HD suck. Nearest place to me isn’t as far out as yours, but definitely far enough to give me pause. It’s about a one hour drive each way.
Your infrastructure point is well received. But in the end every point you made was related to infrastructure. And in no way do I think fossil fuels should be abandoned wholesale. At least not where it’s still the best solution. Electrification when it makes sense. I very much appreciate that there is nuance involved… I just don’t know all of them. My original point stands, however… our outrageous demand for fossil fuels is a national security concern.
I like how you let my third point stand, lol
In Rural areas, EVs are less practical.
id say more practical, you can use solar panels on your roof and charge in your garage. Here in Australia that’s what I do in my rural location.
We have also used V2L to run our refrigerator, freezer,router, charge devices and a couple lights at night in a recent power outage, no. oise pissing off neighbors as well, rural areas tend to suffer power outages more because of the transmission line damage from storms.etc and ev’s add some resilience
EVs are problematic in condos for charging but all cars in cities are shitty anyway
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I’ve seen some rural people say EVs are better because you can recharge them at home and not need to drive a bunch of miles to get to the nearest gas station. This gets even easier of they have solar.
The most convincing thing for anyone who actually likes driving is to have them try an EV. The difference in responsiveness when accelerating (if it’s any kind of decent EV) is like night & day.
The US is the largest producer of oil in the world, and there is a very strong lobby for keeping that production up.
The US accounts for about 20% of total oil consumption, 2/3rds of that is transportation. If transportation were to be heavily electrified, it would be a meaningful drop in global oil consumption and cause prices to fall. Falling prices hurt US producers more than many overseas producers, as fracking is an expensive extraction method and most US production is from fracked wells.
It’s amazing again how limited the US is with choices. In the rest of the world including soon Canada, there is a much greater choice of EV’s. Take Australia for example: besides Tesla there is BYD, Seekr, Geely, MG, KIA, Polestar, Cherry, Hyundai, Skoda and WV. But because of the unsubstantiated hatred of anything Chinese, the US has only a couple of choices. Funnily enough, the CEO of Ford drives a Xiaomi SU7 and does not want to hand it in. Look up his interview after he visited China. The same applies to mobile phones. There are amazing phone brands in the rest of the world but again the US is limited. Land of the free but as long at it is beneficial to the US corporations. Competition is frowned upon.
It’s amazing again how limited the US is with choices. In the rest of the world including soon Canada, there is a much greater choice of EV’s.
Or non-automobile EVs such as e-bikes, electric subways or streetcars, for that matter.
Geely owns Volvo and Polestar
Geely is a brand on its own too and produce their own vehicles. Geely also is a major share holder and partner of Mercedes Benz, like the Smart in China and are looking at strengthing their relationship in regards to EV.
But because of the unsubstantiated hatred of anything Chinese
That might apply for the Chinese manufacturers you’ve listed, but the others are available in the US, even the ones with significant Chinese ownership (Volvo/Polestar mostly owned by Geely, Mercedes Benz owned significantly by Chinese investors). Many of these companies simply choose not to go through the trouble of importing or manufacturing some of their EVs for the US market, despite continuing to manufacture/import other EVs for the US market. See, for example the Kia EV6 GT (no longer offered in the US, despite other trim levels continuing to be sold), the VW ID.7 (canceled plans to bring into US and Canada), Polestar 2 (no longer available in the US), Ford F-150 Lighting (the recently discontinued electric version of literally the top selling vehicle in the United States), etc.
A big part of the problem with the US isn’t that there aren’t choices, it’s that many of the choices are bad. Lots of EVs are expensive, and competing for the expensive luxury market. Even then, some of those brands are struggling. I don’t know what the future holds for Rivian or Lucid in the U.S., but those companies aren’t exactly making money.
Without sales volume, they won’t hit the economies of scale necessary to actually profitably sell those cars. Lucid is absurdly expensive while the company loses money on each sale. Rivian has similar problems, although they might actually turn the corner to profitability soon. Polestar is probably in the same boat for the US market, but is propped up by its owners and partners for now.
So no, I don’t think that US EV new car buyers are suffering from a quantity of options. It’s just kinda a quality problem, where the consumer has a lot of mediocre choices, and only a few good choices.
Also gas cars on Craigslist have dropped in price a little bit.
I wonder what Honda has for EVs
Fuck all, they’ve been dragging their feet like most of the Japanese auto makers after they invested in hydrogen fuel cars instead. And they look to even be pulling back from their paltry EV strategy: https://techcrunch.com/2026/03/14/honda-is-killing-its-evs-and-any-chance-of-competing-in-the-future/
Honda is a company built around manufacturing internal combustion engines. Anything that uses an internal combustion engine is fair game: lawnmowers, motorcycles, ATVs, generators, and regular old cars.
So it’s been hard for them to shift their culture to where they don’t actually use the thing they’re best at, the foundation for their company’s whole history.
See also BYD that eventually got into making cars simply because they were so good at making batteries.
Maybe they’re pivoting to rockets? https://global.honda/en/topics/2025/c_2025-06-17ceng.html
