Elections Alberta has approved the proposed referendum question, 'Do you agree that the province of Alberta should cease to be a part of Canada to become an independent state?'

please go.

    • tomiant@piefed.socialEnglish
      8·
      6 个月前

      Wouldn’t be remotely shocked to find ties to Russian funding of this initiative. They pulled this same shit in Europe for decades, fanning the flames of discontent, pitting people against each other and trying to divide us.

  • Archangel1313@lemmy.ca
    27·
    6 个月前

    If they want to become Americans so bad, they can always move South and apply for citizenship.

    What they can’t do, is take the land with them.

    • Etterra@discuss.onlineEnglish
      6·
      6 个月前

      Way, WAY South into an already deeply red state where they can’t do any more damage to our painfully dying country, please.

  • streetfestival@lemmy.caEnglish
    23·
    6 个月前

    I was curious about how this will pan out, and found this:
    https://thetyee.ca/Analysis/2025/11/05/Has-Alberta-Separatism-Gone-Mainstream-Common-Ground/

    About 30 per cent of Albertans support or somewhat support the idea of separation, while most do not. This figure fluctuates but hasn’t changed substantially since 2019.

    The conclusion from our research is clear: the typical Albertan doesn’t want to separate but gets why others do. Supporting separatism isn’t mainstream, though being curious about it is. The bridge between those viewpoints is not a long one.

          • FaceDeer@fedia.io
            5·
            6 个月前

            I think that guy you know might also be one of the folks who doesn’t do the work to figure stuff out, unfortunately - we don’t “vote for Premier”, we vote for a local representative and the party that gets the most representatives installs their party leader as Premier. Just like how it’s done with the Prime Minister.

            Even if we did, his plan has taken a bit of a hit in the past year. A lot of Albertans have soured greatly on Gretzky given his chumminess with Trump, his statues have been repeatedly vandalized recently. “Maple MAGA” is actually not as popular here as seems to be commonly believed.

        • Sunshine@piefed.caEnglish
          4·
          6 个月前

          Thank god that first-past-the-post could give 39% or less full control of the provincial government.

      • tleb@lemmy.ca
        121·
        6 个月前

        The number goes down below 10 when asked if they’d want to separate if the Conservatives had won the federal election. They’re just angy at the libs. When push comes to shove they will vote it down.

      • SamuelRJankis@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
        5·
        6 个月前

        Referendums and the specific topic is a bit different. But I think looking at Trump and America should make people very wary of what having 30% of the population as fanatics can do.

      • OliveMoon@lemmy.cadeleted by creator
        4·
        6 个月前

        So, what about First Nations? Are you going to vote away their land??

        • Carl@sh.itjust.works
          3·
          6 个月前

          My friends in Alberta, are First Nations. And this was my first thought. We should send the people who want to be Americans, to America.

        • kent_eh@lemmy.caEnglish
          2·
          6 个月前

          So, what about First Nations?

          The separatists don’t concern themselves with “minor details” like that.

      • Warehouse@piefed.caEnglish
        3·
        6 个月前

        You think the people who signed the Forever Canadian petition are all people who want to leave Canada?

          • Warehouse@piefed.caEnglish
            2·
            6 个月前

            My bad, it seemed like you were implying that the 38.7% of people who signed the Forever Canadian petition and the 30% who are (or at least were) for Alberta separatism were the exact same group.

      • Darkonion@lemmy.world
        2·
        6 个月前

        I think the real reason the UCP leadership puts this kind of crazy stuff on the ballot is to make sure that 30% shows up to vote in force. If everyone else turns up to vote, or their base had a regular level of turnout, then they’d have no shot.

      • streetfestival@lemmy.caEnglish
        1·
        6 个月前

        Elections have electoral districts, which is how first-past-the-post really does its damage, through gerrymandering and gaming the system for just enough votes in each district. Does the same hold true for a referendum or is that a simple tally of all provincial votes (ie, electoral districts don’t matter)

  • phanto@lemmy.ca
    20·
    6 个月前

    I’m kind of in favor of throwing every one of the traitors over the southern border by the seat of their useless pants.

    • Washedupcynic@lemmy.caEnglish
      6·
      6 个月前

      Please no. Those of us that aren’t right wing shit stains are doing everything they can to reign in the MAGA bullshit here in the USA. We don’t need more MAGA trash. How about putting them on a rocket to mars?

    • MyMindIsLikeAnOcean@piefed.worldEnglish
      1·
      6 个月前

      The problem is that people are stupid. Anyone who lives on top of oil is going to eventually feel like they’re uniquely entitled to said oil. Unless they’re on fire or oil prices drop…then they’ll temporarily turn into communists.

  • Nomecks@lemmy.ca
    13·
    6 个月前

    There is no independant state. The choice is be part of Canada or be part of the US, and I’m not sure what in Trump’s record make people think he would treat Canadians any better than Russia treats Ukranians

  • dermanus@lemmy.caEnglish
    12·
    6 个月前

    Do it. And then when it gets, at most, 30% of the vote you’ll have shot your wad and no one will give a shit about it for another generation. At least with Québec it’ll be closer to 50%.

    • DerisionConsulting@lemmy.caEnglish
      1·
      6 个月前

      Unless you care about seals, you are likely looking for something closer to “va faire foutre tes seins”, go fuck your tits.

  • glibg@lemmy.ca
    8·
    6 个月前

    I’m sure the Albertans are aware how well this sort of thing turned out for the UK, right?

  • OliveMoon@lemmy.cadeleted by creator
    6·
    6 个月前

    I am astounded! Alberta is already trying to dumb down their population, as the USA did. Alberta is trying to privatize health care, as the USA. Seriously?? This is what you want?

  • leastaction@lemmy.ca
    5·
    6 个月前

    Before everyone gets their knickers in a twist, no, the referendum question has not been approved. The application has been approved. Now they have to collect the necessary signatures. What has collected the necessary signatures and been validated by Elections Alberta is the opposite motion, “Do you agree that Alberta should remain in Canada?” By law, this has to go either to a vote in the Legislature (which is extremely unlikely) or a referendum within six months. Many people believe the UCP willl call an election rather than a referendum, as all referendum questions die when an election is called.

    • Canaconda@lemmy.caBanned
      2·
      6 个月前

      Wouldn’t an actual referendum to secede require like 1.4 million votes?

      Nevermind how Alberta doesn’t legally own the vast majority of land within it’s borders.

  • RezDogHonky@lemmy.ca
    5·
    6 个月前

    It’s pretty blatant a bunch of this is being funded by US fossil fuel giants to get access to the tar sands.

  • DMCMNFIBFFF@lemmy.ca
    74·
    6 个月前

    some thoughts:

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    .1. It would mean fewer Conservatives in Parliament.

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    .2. For those Canadians who want to become American citizens, they could move to Alberta. Indeed, Canada could invite millions of Latin Americans to become citizens of Canada, and then they go to Alberta, and when Albertans becomes American citizens, so might they.

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    .3. Alberta is nothing without fossil fuels; it’s a shit province without oil and gas: I suspect this is what many conservatives believe.

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    1. A clique of Maple MAGAts take over the Albertan government, and declare independence. They might have a bogus referendum which they win. Trump’s America recognizes it, perhaps immediately, or perhaps after a while of helping it.

    If we environmentalists, or those at least a bit environmentally minded, are correct, global warming will get worse; electrification and wind and solar power will increase. No unemployment benefits or farm aid to you Albertan ingrates.

    Also, if the progressives took over the US, Congress would have only 2 Albertan senators and maybe 6 Representatives to counter them.

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    .5. Texas was a Republic for almost 10 years before it joined the US. Vermont, IIRC, was a republic for ≥14 years. If Alberta joins, say, within 4 years, they might be ribbed by Americans for that.

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    .6. BC could still be connected through the NWT. Planes can fly north of it. If McDonald could have a railroad built in (IIUC) the 19th century, Canada could build one in the 21st. We also have the Northwest Passage.

    (If BC joining Canada was only going to happen if a railroad was built, they might insist on a new one being built, and we might as well have freight lines, passenger lines, high-speed, a highway, and maybe others.)