I want things that are above my reading level, that’s how I get better at reading 🤔😁
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That’s the most strawy strawman I’ve ever seen.
Not a strawman, this is how my school worked, I was only allowed to check out books according to my reading level.
That sounds weird, and how exactly was that “reading level” determined?
There may have been some insanity involved in the management of your school library.We had this website that we used to take quizzes about the books we read in class / checked out from our library, the more we got right, the better our reading level
OK, but when you read something out of interest, it’s different than when you are forced to.
But of course you know that, and we totally agree that preventing pupils to go above their reading level is stupid.
BTW the comic is very well done IMO. 👍Hey, way to comment above your level! You’ll get there in no time, tiger!
I can kind of understand the policy if you’re afraid kids will get a book above their level and learn to hate reading because of that. I imagine this system also let’s combined elementary/middle school/high school libraries get books that are a little more “spicey” for the older kids than they might be able to otherwise.
That’s a good thing, we would not want kids to have any troublesome ideas, they must be well prepared for the life of office drudgery that awaits them.
“It’s over, for I’ve already portrayed myself as the open-minded, unbothered intellectual and you as the stuffy, legalistic teacher.”
This is straight-up a shower argument in comic form. You’d think teachers get enough bullshit these days without this on top of it.
This is a straight-up shower argument in comic form.
FTFY.
source: am a teacher
“Straight-up” is commonly used both as an adjective and as an adverb.
You are not wrong in this. Also, the edit flows better. 🤓
(To be clear, I was riffing on your comment that teachers “get enough bullshit”, dear ally.)
I had something very similar to this happen at school. My reading level was quite low, and I just wasn’t reading much. Finally, one of my teachers noticed something. I wasn’t not reading due to being unable, but due to being bored as hell with the books.
Once I jumped up to young adult level books, I put the effort in and devoured them. I basically jumped 4+ reading levels.
The more you challenge yourself the faster you learn (usually)
@ttyybb @NickEast_IndieWriter “Usually”, indeed.
If you challenge yourself too much as a pilot, for example, that could be your last flight.
(I once planned a flight with both more challenging weather than I was used to and more challenging navigation than I was used to - probably one or the other, rather than both at once, would have been more sensible. The Luton air traffic controller was very nice about it and I phoned him to say thank you once I’d got down.)
I never met a real teacher who didn’t want kids to read.
I’m a second language teacher, and explain to my (adult) students how to choose a book that is at the right (stretch) reading level for them, so they can make informed choices about their fun reading. It’s not at all uncommon for them to have to read academic or subject texts way before their language ability is there, though.
I had to as well and it absolutely takes the fun out of reading and absolutely improves your reading ability (as long as you get enough feedback to make sure you are in fact comprehending the material). Some students want that and some students don’t.
Well, your job is to advise your students. You don’t seem to want to set policy, so the cartoon isn’t about your situation.
I’m aware, I was providing context to the OP.
Yes, but I also read things that are below my reading level so I can listen to the audiobook while I do other things.
Specific use case, Japanese light novels. They’re translated to English, and narrated by the English voice actors who do the anime adaptations, most of the time. “Light novels” are what Japan calls, what the US calls “young adult fiction.” Shorter books with occasional pictures to show you what’s going on. Pictures aren’t in the audiobook, of course.
I’ll read something at or above “my level” (hard to define, as I’m educated and middle age), then I’ll read a couple LNs (and by read I mean listen to). If the book’s at a higher reading level, I follow along with an eReader and I can look up any words I don’t know, or want to know better. It’s almost never an issue with LNs.
Where do you think I learned all those sentence enhancers?
Age ratings should be guidelines, not restrictions. Maybe the kid would enjoy some books that are outside their age bracket, but if they aren’t even allowed to try, then they could never find out.
Except maybe if the books are exceptionally gruesome. I once read one random page in a book from De Sade and … reading that is not recommended for any age imo.
Just let them kids read whatever. Give them a dictionary with the book if it has difficult vocabulary.
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@NickEast_IndieWriter @reading @bookstodon @books @humor@fedigroups.social @humor@lemmy.world @aiop In elementary school, there was a librarian’s assistant who gatekept stringently based on your age’s expected reading level. I (and others) eventually learned to check out books when the assistant was off duty and the librarian herself was at the desk. She was always happy to talk a bit about what you were reading and suggest books, often well beyond our “age level”. Mrs. Finkbeiner, the kids of Carpenter School owe you a lot.
Ok. let’s look at this. My 8 year old state reading a book 2 weeks ago. He wasn’t able to make it past page 35 before he kept stopping every 5th to 10th word to understand what it was and how to say it. Every day when he went back to reading it he would go back a half page or so to reread because he couldn’t follow the story due to your much clarification he needed. I finally told him to get another book because he was so frustrated. He went and grabbed another book, closer to his age rating and in 2 days he’s been able to read 50 pages and has loved it. Age ratings aren’t restrictive. They are freeing.
It does not always have to be this way though. They can be restrictive, when the AR testing first hit back when I was in school, my teacher attempted to tell me I could not read 20,000 Leagues under the sea because it was a high school level reading well above where I should be. Thankfully they did not force me and just heavily tried to dissuade me I said f*** that read the book and was able to Ace that AR test.
Reading comprehension does not mean fully understanding a word, if you can read the sentence around the word you can usually figure out its meaning even if you don’t know the word itself. That is what the AR tests were originally supposed to help promote and push in reading but unfortunately people kept restricting it and what level you could read more and more and more and it stopped being about the reading comprehension and just became about total understanding of all words which isn’t helpful
@NickEast_IndieWriter @reading @bookstodon @books @humor@fedigroups.social @humor@lemmy.world @aiop when I was little, I was an avid reader and I loved the zany magical adventures of Xanth by Piers Anthony. The school librarians actually listened and bought a copy of a book.
The cover inside art had a naked lady, and as an adult now I realize how misogynist those books were, but the librarians enabled it and I turned out alright.
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Yes, that’s how I learned an unusually large amount of knowledge about spacecraft and space exploration when I was a child. I ignored the fact that the books were “above my reading level”. By osmosis I absorbed the data, and eventually the separate bits of data started linking together and cross-correlating.
Obviously they were not above your reading level. They may have been above your age level, but not reading level.
@NickEast_IndieWriter @reading @bookstodon @books @humor@fedigroups.social @humor@lemmy.world @aiop For some educators, teaching is beyond their abilities. Teaching should not be about indoctrinating “facts”, but about exposing minds to infinite possibilities, while inculcating skepticism of anything that is not fact checked.
