I’m a seasoned Linux user, but mostly for servers and services, not really for desktop use.

I’ve dabbled in some desktop distros on my personal rig a few times in the past, but ultimately due to specific games, I’ve gone back to Windows.

I recently installed Arch and KDE. Upon initial boot I noticed it was defaulted to Wayland. Every time I would try to log in it would just go to a black screen then cycle back to the login screen. Picking X11 would bring me to the desktop.

Basic Specs:

  • AMD Ryzen 7 5800X 3D
  • nVidia RTX 4090

I have been doing some reading into this and it looks like the issue is due to the proprietary nVidia drivers, but there are solutions to work around this.

I know nothing of Wayland other than its supposed to be more secure. My question is, is it worth the time/effort to get Wayland working? I primarily use my system for gaming. X11 seems to be working just fine for me right now.

Forgive me if I’m using some of the terminology wrong, still learning.

EDIT - Selling my gpu is not an option. I knew ahead of time that AMD has superior Linux support, but the 4090’s performance can’t be matched by anything AMD has. Maybe next upgrade I’ll go back to AMD if they have the top performer.

  • nobloat@vlemmy.net
    4·
    3 years ago

    I love Wayland but I’m not using Nvidia. I really hope th3y figure that Nvdia stuff out soon because it’s such a roadblock to many people when it comes to Wayland

    • taj@lemmy.world
      2·
      3 years ago

      This. I haven’t had Nvidia in years. On Amd and/or Intel, ime Wayland is perfect.

    • Sentau@lemmy.one
      1·
      3 years ago

      Nvidia is the one who had things to figure out. Their poor support for GBM and closed drivers are the reason the Wayland developers have not been able to improve the experience on NVIDIA

  • heartlessevil@lemmy.onedeleted by creator
    41·
    3 years ago

    X11 is deprecated, it’s been removed from RHEL, and hasn’t had dedicated maintainers for years. You might as well switch to Wayland (and xwayland if needed) now, it’s not really the case that you have an option.

        • sin_free_for_00_days@lemmy.one
          1·
          3 years ago

          Oh, I’ve followed this stuff for years and years. I’ve been using Linux pretty much exclusively for a quarter of a century. People love to harp on the security issues, but from what I’ve seen that’s pretty much theoretical. The only real compelling argument is that developers are leaning toward Wayland, so that’s the way it will go. I’m sure some day I’ll go to update and it’ll be time to make that change.

          I’m not a developer. I wasn’t super happy with the change to systemd, but it’s not like I was the one that had to deal with the init v issues, so when it changed, I went along. I’m sure the same will happen with Wayland. The last time I tried it, a lot of my decades of cruft didn’t work, shortcuts and workflow issues. Sure, I should probably clean up all that crap anyway, but like I said, it’ll happen when it happens. Until then, I’m completely happy with X11.

  • INeedMana@lemmy.world
    2·
    3 years ago

    I’m using Arch, Wayland, AMD GPU, Discord, Steam (Proton, so xWayland) for playing. I don’t remember when I switched to Wayland, might be even more than a year.

    I remember that I liked something about configuration and internal logic but mostly, for me, it just works. I don’t see much difference from purely user perspective.

    • jarredpickles87@lemmy.world
      0·
      3 years ago

      Does Wayland allow desktop/app streaming via discord natively? I remember trying to screen share in discord last year on Ubuntu and it didn’t work because of Wayland. I read that there were workarounds, but I didn’t have the time to invest in that then.

  • priapus@lemmy.one
    1·
    3 years ago

    I recommend to just use wayland unless you have a specific reason not to. The main two reasons not to are requiring global shortcuts and having an nvidia GPU that won’t play nice.

    You might just need to enable DRM KMS to get it working, in which case it may be worth using.

  • UrbenLegend@lemmy.mldeleted by creator
    1·
    3 years ago

    I would double check if you have options nvidia_drm modeset=1 in your modprobe.d. This is necessary for Wayland. I can login to KDE Wayland just fine with my 3090, but I still stick with X11 for now because of VRR and overall better input latency. The input latency issue isn’t an Nvidia specific thing, although Nvidia does perform worse with Wayland than AMD in some cases.

    And while you’re at it add options nvidia NVreg_PreserveVideoMemoryAllocations=1 so that your GPU saves video memory when your system suspends.

  • Ryan@lemmy.world
    1·
    3 years ago

    I haven’t used Nvidia since I switched to Linux 8 years ago. That’s what my computer at the time had, and it definitely influenced the hardware I chose going forward (I switched to using AMD GPU’s).

    The X11 developers have moved onto working on Wayland, and I find my computers are more performant under Wayland. However, my use-cases don’t require CUDA or anything else that Nvidia provides.

    In the end, use the tool(s) that get the job done. I’m not going to say “switch to AMD & use Wayland,” it’s not my place to do that. X11 is fine until the Wayland experience on Nvidia improves.

  • iloverocks@feddit.de
    1·
    3 years ago

    If gaming is your focus I would suggestedtio stick to x11 for some time. If you want to try an arch based distro I would suggested to stick with archo orendeveross. Thy are for the normal userwazy easier then pure arch.I

  • randy@lemmy.ca
    1·
    3 years ago

    In your situation, I would say to stick with X11. I’m still using X11 for gaming, but Wayland for most other things. Maybe try Wayland again in a few years. And when it’s time to buy new hardware, maybe avoid Nvidia.

    If you want to have another go at getting it working, check out what the Arch wiki says for KDE:

    If you are an NVIDIA user with the proprietary nvidia driver, also enable the DRM kernel mode setting. If that does not work, too, check the instructions on the KDE wiki.

    As for the question of security, I want to emphasize that X11 is not increasing your risk of getting hacked. If one of your applications is compromised, then X11 acts as one method by which an attacker could further their attack or extract information, but other methods would usually be easier for an attacker. You could use flatpaks or firejail to mitigate those other methods, but only after you’ve done that would Wayland provide a meaningful security benefit.

  • ForynGilnith@lemmy.world
    1·
    3 years ago

    I had many issues running Arch+Wayland+nvidia because, as a long-time i3 user, I figured that migrating to Sway would be the best choice based on so many people in the community talking about it. I tried moving over several times, every few months to see if the experience had improved but each time I got frustrated with how terrible and buggy the environment was.

    Trying out Hyprland was a complete game-changer. I’ve been running it full-time for about 2 months and it’s completely stable, supports everything I need to run, and is more efficient: the battery on my laptop lasts about 30% longer compared to my i3/picom/X11 setup.

    So yeah, I highly recommend Hyprland if you’ve tried sway in the past and didn’t get anywhere with it.

  • Ben@lemmy.ml
    1·
    3 years ago

    This is a sore point. I understand that Wayland is the future, just as people adopt laptops instead of desktop machines.

    Many years ago, I used Opera browser - I learned to close tabs using MOUSE gestures… so instead of clicking on a little 'x to close a tab, I could press the RMB and draw an L shape.

    With X11 (initially with the software Easy Gesture and later on with KDE’s own Custom Shortcuts) I was able to do the same thing - but for ALL desktop apps.

    So now, drawing an L does Ctrl+W - and I have dozens more gestures to do not only keyboard shortcuts, but also commands and scripts…

    So just putting it out there that X11 isn’t only for NVidia users or gamers…

  • Scraft161@iusearchlinux.fyi
    1·
    3 years ago

    NVIDIA has been shit on wayland for a while now, wayland is coming along nicely though and there’s already quite a bit happening in terms of expensions; but unless you need wayland for something there’s no real need for it (and you can get wayland apps working on X11 just fine). The big thing right now is that we’re in a transition period where we need to go from one ecosystem with tons of well used extensions (like xinput) to one where these extensions are still being developed.

    What I’d say is that if you just stick to Gnome or KDE you won’t have to worry about which one you’re using yet, and if you have problems with wayland just stick to X11 until those get resolved. I’m in a similar ballpark where I’m still on X as I am waiting for several parts of the wayland ecosystem to mature (mainly nvidia support specifically for certain laptop configurations and tiling WMs (yes there’s options, but I have multiple problems with most of them))

  • RandomDude@lemmy.ml
    1·
    3 years ago

    Little late to the party, but I’ll chime in. I have a 3080, and for the most part, Wayland works, but there are a few problems that keep me from using it as a daily driver. G-Sync doesn’t work at all, and when I put my PC to sleep, upon wake I end up needing to do a full reboot because of severe graphical issues. When it is running though, it’s pretty smooth, with only a few graphical issues here and there. I still daily drive X11 though until the major bugs are fixed.