Disclaimer: I’m not making fun of queer people, I’m making fun of the acronym.

    • Acinonyx@lemmy.sdf.org
      241·
      2 years ago

      if the ‘+’ includes every not mentioned gender/sexuality anyways, why can’t we just say ‘L+’?

        • Katana314@lemmy.worldEnglish
          82·
          2 years ago

          I get the criticism, but most countries are not in the term “The United Nations” either. It feels possible to make a grouped, organized label that supports minority sexuality groups and opposes bigotry.

        • Acinonyx@lemmy.sdf.org
          3·
          2 years ago

          Also why I throw the whole thing out and just call us all something else.

          true equality would either be just ‘+’, without any letters, or including every letter, which seems impossible.

          or like you said, something completely else. I personally like - hear me out - ‘alphabet people’. I understand that rightoids use this term as an insult so it isn’t usable, which is a shame, because apart from its negative connotation it has a few nice upsides:

          • sexualities/genders are being abbreviated by single letters already and since the alphabet contains all letters, everyone is included

          • ‘people’ is completely neutral towards everyone as well

      • captainlezbian@lemmy.world
        2·
        2 years ago

        Because L+ is the only streaming service I’d pay for

        Seriously though the history of lgbt as an acronym comes down to the fact that it began with gay men and lesbians organizing separately and bi and trans people being part of those organizations, but bisexual and trans groups began differentiating and separately organizing while we all began realizing we needed to work together more in order to actually change things.

    • OneWomanCreamTeam@lemmy.blahaj.zone
      10·
      2 years ago

      This is why I’ve always preferred the term GSRM: Gender, Sexual, and Romantic Minorities. It’s fully inclusive without ballooning out to an absurd size. I see no signs that it will see common use in the near future though.

  • Th4tGuyII@kbin.socialBanned from community
    361·
    2 years ago

    I’ll be honest that while I get that everybody wants representation, making the abbreviation so unwieldy is ruining the whole point of the abbreviation.

    Personally I’m sticking with LGBT+, as it is easily memorable and effectively conveys the sentiment, even if it doesn’t catch everybody.

      • Veltoss@lemmy.world
        15·
        2 years ago

        Pretty sure the Q was supposed to originally but the meaning/labeling changed. Then the plus. But people wanted their particular letter included directly and it got silly.

      • Chunk@lemmy.world
        6·
        2 years ago

        Yes but they aren’t getting first class representation so they keep adding letters to the acronym. It’s too bad literally no one outside the activists cares. Most of my LGBT+ friends think it’s a bit silly. Not horrible, not ridiculous, just a bit silly.

        It’s certainly a thing the LGBT community is mocked for and it’s something that the vast majority of people just politely stay away from. That’s really too bad.

  • darq@kbin.social
    317·
    2 years ago

    Most people just use LGBTQ+. Give or take the Q and the +.

    I do find mocking the acronym to be rather overdone considering it seems to be a non-issue within the community.

    And I mean… LGBTQ+ folks can bicker about pointless stuff. Have you seen flag discourse? Bi lesbian discourse? The fact that we don’t argue about the acronym makes the cishets’ obsession with it kinda funny actually.

    • balderdash@lemmy.zipOP
      112·
      2 years ago

      Fair enough! I just wanted to make a meme about queer culture that wasn’t too offensive. I figured poking fun at the acronym was harmless enough.

  • elouboub@kbin.social
    221·
    2 years ago

    By the end of the century, it’ll be the full alphabet. I just say “queer” instead of going through the entire list. “They’re queer”, “It’s queer-friendly”, “that’s a show for queer folk”, “they’re a queer couple”, “so I swiped left on this queer woman yesterday…”, “that’s a queer-ally”, …

    • elouboub@kbin.social
      85·
      2 years ago

      So much for equal representation.

      Your sexuality isn’t even worth putting in the main letters. You’re just “other”.

      • StenSaksTapir@feddit.dk
        3·
        2 years ago

        It’ll never be truly equal as long as there’s a fixed order of the letters. The only way to make it fair is to include all the letters (from every writing system, not just the latin because that feels overly eurocentric) and the guarantee true randomness of the order or come up with some system where the order is shifted by one every time it’s mentioned. Also, the original letters must be in the center to begin with (to make them equally distant for RTL or LTR readers), to make up for their historical over exposure.

      • Chunk@lemmy.world
        2·
        2 years ago

        If they put a letter for every sexuality that people identified with their would have hundreds of letters.

      • frickineh@lemmy.world
        1·
        2 years ago

        Eh, I’m asexual (technically panromantic asexual, but that’s way too much of a mouthful for regular use), and I usually just call myself queer. I don’t need to get into the specifics with everybody and their mother. Unless there’s a possibility of a relationship or someone is a close friend, it’s just not really relevant.

        Also, arguing about the appropriate letters to include in the acronym when we should be worrying about stuff like members of the community being attacked and murdered on a way too regular basis, or being portrayed as pedophiles, or all of the attempts to roll back all the rights we’ve gained is just such a waste of time.

  • M500@lemmy.mlEnglish
    61·
    2 years ago

    What if they just add “s” for straight just to fuck with people.

  • UnfortunateShort@lemmy.world
    62·
    2 years ago

    I like “queer”. It sounds cute and, from my point of view, nicely summarizes “not binary and/or heteronormative”.

    I’m queer. If I think you need to know more, I’ll tell you ;)

  • idkwhatimdoing@sh.itjust.works
    2·
    2 years ago

    Two spirit and furry feel different from the rest tbh. I think they open queerness back up to views that it’s a choice or a learned behavior and not naturally human.

  • M500@lemmy.mlEnglish
    32·
    2 years ago

    What if they just add “s” for straight just to fuck with people.

    • Chunk@lemmy.world
      1·
      2 years ago

      The right wingers are lagging behind then. Have you heard of QUILTBAG+? Queer unisex intersex lesbian trans bi asexual gay.