Something funny is going on at Lemm.ee. The admin is suddently ban hammer happy too.
That and all the mods removed from here is kinds strange.
Anyone have any word on what’s up and why the drastic changes in attitude and all of the sudden bans?
**EDIT: **Actually I think I found the reason: https://lemm.ee/post/55846636/18367529 (!meta@ lemm.ee “It seems some higher level moderation of communities may be required”)
Lemm.ee is a bunch of new admins, so it’s not longer as friendly to differing opinions as it once was.
Which a bunch of Lemmy Democrats are gonna cheer and advertise about.
Probably a good idea for us to find a new conservative community.
Don’t let them silence you, guys. We should just move–not run away. Running away is what they want us to do.
EDIT: I’m not defending Nazi’s or Nazi salutes. I didn’t see the post and I haven’t seen any describe it other than “it was a Nazi salute!” Does anyone want to actually describe the post? What did it say? Was it a meme? Was it Musk? Was it a random pic?
Hi.
The admin is suddenly ban hammer happy too.
The only person who was banned is the one who posted the Nazi salute picture.
Lemm.ee is a bunch of new admins, so it’s not longer as friendly to differing opinions as it once was.
Lemm.ee has a single new admin (JuiceMachine). The rest of us have been here for over a year and the decision to de-mod this community is not a new idea. We are not removing the community at this time, we just feel it has not been effectively moderated to fit in with Lemm.ee’s rules. We want to observe how things go and take further action if needed.
So will you keep it unmodded? Because that seems like a worse idea. Your community, your rules, but I’m just wondering about the thoughts behind leaving a “controversial” community unmodded.
And the person who posted the Nazi salute pic is not the only person to be banned on Lemm.ee lately.
So are you telling me that lemm.ee has NOT changed it’s attitudes towards banning and what it allows on here in the last few months?
I’m not implying you are wrong, I would like qualification. Because I have seen other peopel say the same thing to. There seems to be a much lower tolerance lately.
But to you knowledge, no meetings, no talks, or anything of the sort about reigning people in a bit more? Nothing about outside instances pressuring you?
So will you keep it unmodded? Because that seems like a worse idea. Your community, your rules, but I’m just wondering about the thoughts behind leaving a “controversial” community unmodded.
“Unmodded” might not be the right word. To clarify, there will be no “community moderators”, but we the admin team will keep an eye on it for the time being. We feel that there was an issue with reports from the queue being resolved by mods, but with no action taken against unacceptable content. It made it sort of a blind spot for us, hence the Nazi salute celebration hitting the front page of the community for 2 days.
And the person who posted the Nazi salute pic is not the only person to be banned on Lemm.ee lately.
So are you telling me that lemm.ee has NOT changed it’s attitudes towards banning and what it allows on here in the last few months?
I’m not implying you are wrong, I would like qualification. Because I have seen other peopel say the same thing to. There seems to be a much lower tolerance lately.
Lemm.ee is growing pretty quickly and people get banned every day - the modlog is public. A recent uptick is possible, but our admin activity can fluctuate pretty sporadically depending on IRL stuff. Any instances of unacceptable content are due to blind spots as stated above, or us simply not having had the time or resources to effectively handle everything.
Fair enough. Thank you for the clarification! And if the mods were not doing their jobs, then that isn’t helpful to the conservative cause, so I totally support removing them.
The rest of us have been here for over a year and the decision to de-mod this community is not a new idea. We are not removing the community at this time, we just feel it has not been effectively moderated to fit in with Lemm.ee’s rules.
But that seems counter to what was said by a lemm.ee admin just three months ago. They seemed fine with the mods then. In fact, they said, “We have in the past had to shut down a few conservative-type communities over such things. Having said that, I am not aware of the current moderators of that community allowing, much less featuring, any kind of bigotry (in fact, a quick look over the mod log shows them actively removing bigotry, usually posted by users from outside lemm.ee).”
And here is a screenshot of the whole comment: https://lemmy.wtf/post/13103372/11195134
I for one love the conservative communities on lemmy and don’t block them.
That way, I can block the users that post the content and not have to see them anywhere else.
Hey, I can agree with that line of thought. I’m all for you blocking whoever you want. I’m not for BANNING them because they aren’t part of the majority on Lemmy.
The mods were all delicate trolls. Maybe the admins had had enough of their bullshit?
But aren’t trolls people, who for example, post things to communities they don’t agree with, just to be spiteful? Kinda like you’re doing right now?
Someone having a different opinion than you isn’t a troll. Someone who shitposts just to get reactions is a troll.
Nazis aren’t people.
Agreed. And just because someone is a conservative, doesn’t mean they are a Nazi.
But if you vote for Nazis…
P.S. You can replace “Nazis” with “Fascists”. Americans just use Nazi because it’s the most historically recent example of Fascists.
I don’t think Trump is a Nazi. He’s a capitalist. Which Lemmy equates with Nazism. And I disagree.
Yeah, it’s just because he’s a capitalist that we call Trump a Nazi.
There aren’t enough clown emojis in the world for you people.
Yeah, it’s just because he’s a capitalist that we call Trump a Nazi.
Yes, I do believe that’s why Lemmy calls him a Nazi.
Why don’t you tell me some Nazi things he does
I don’t think Trump is a Nazi.
He’s a fascist. You don’t think so because you aren’t educated enough to see it.
I don’t think he’s a fascist either.
I also said they were delicate. They spread misinformation, refuse to engage in good faith discussion, and remove comments they don’t agree with. They are trolls.
I haven’t seen any of that. But I would ask: If you aren’t conservative, then why be in a conservative community? You know you will disagree with everything posted. Wouldn’t it be easier just to block it?
I’m not so delicate that I can’t encounter ideas that I don’t agree with. I see it because it comes up in “all”. I post good faith comments and expect a good faith response, you know a conversation. I get misinform, lies and insults, then all of my good faith comments are removed. If it’s an echo bunker of misinformation and lies that doesn’t welcome opposing opinions then just be honest about it and make the community private,unless of course it’s just bad faith trolling.
I post good faith comments and expect a good faith response, you know a conversation.
But someone who posts an conservative article in a conservative community is under no obligation to have to discuss it. Many like it, post it, and move on.
If it’s an echo bunker of misinformation and lies that doesn’t welcome opposing opinions then just be honest about it
And from what I see on Lemmy, that perfectly describes Lemmy as a whole.
Also, as far as I know, there is no way to make a community private. I WISH there was though. Or if there is, please tell me how to do it.
But someone who posts an conservative article in a conservative community is under no obligation to have to discuss it. Many like it, post it, and move on.
Yes, that is the definition of an echo bunker.
And from what I see on Lemmy, that perfectly describes Lemmy as a whole.
Parts of it, yes. It depends on the server and the community.
Also, as far as I know, there is no way to make a community private. I WISH there was though. Or if there is, please tell me how to do it.
That’s easy. Go back to Reddit.
So if you can’t make a community private on Lemmy, why suggest it? And I’m already on Reddit.
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So you think Lemmy is a better place without alternative views and opinions that you don’t like?
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I think any place can be improved by the removal of Nazis and fascists.
I agree.
Stop putting words in my mouth.
What words did I put in your mouth? Are you saying that you think there should be conservative communities allowed on Lemmy?
This type of circle talking is exactly what bad faith trolls engage in.
I know. I am seeing trolls doing it right now in this thread.
They aren’t alternative views. They’re Nazi/Fascist views, and I absolutely think they should be silenced. We fought a war about this.
They’re Nazi/Fascist
Nope. So do you think that the US is suddenly majority Nazi/Fascist? Because the Democrats got their asses handed to them in the election.
And if that’s true in your eyes, then how the fuck did you all lose to a bunch of “Nazis and Fascists,” cuz that seems pretty easy to beat.
So do you think that the US is suddenly majority Nazi/Fascist?
No, but the majority of voting Americans just voted for a party whose leaders perform Nazi salutes at presidential inaugurations and don’t speak out against the literal Nazis that vote for them because they want their votes. So if you vote for a party with literal Nazis in leadership roles, I’m going to start wondering if you’re a Nazi. Associate with Nazis and you are a Nazi. Give power to Nazis and you might be a Nazi.
And if that’s true in your eyes, then how the fuck did you all lose to a bunch of “Nazis and Fascists
Again, do you know nothing of history? Hitler Nazis gained power by gaining public support. We already know it’s possible for a populace to be so stupid as to willingly give power to fascists. All the fascists have to do is target a desperate and under-educated populace by stoking fear and hatred. That’s exactly what Trump and Republicans have done. We know it’s possible, and it literally happened within living memory, yet here you are pretending it’s not.
Seek a better education. You desperately need it.
So if you vote for a party with literal Nazis in leadership roles, I’m going to start wondering if you’re a Nazi.
So sounds like you are leaning towards thinking that over half of the voting americans are Nazis.
So your party lost to Nazi’s and Fascists?! lol So are you gonna stay in a country of Nazis and Fascists?
So are you gonna stay in a country of Nazis and Fascists?
Yes. And we’re going to handle them the way Americans handle Nazis and fascists. You might want to hide.
You might want to hide.
Why? I’m not a Nazi or a Fascist. And I’m sure as fuck not afraid of some random Lemmy poster who’s never left his house before. lmao
how the fuck did you all lose to a bunch of “Nazis and Fascists,”
By having less people that hate Nazi fascists than there are people that love Nazi fascists voting during an election? Seriously… this should be UNIVERSAL knowledge. Only a MONK living in the mountains wouldn’t be able to put together something so simple.
Enjoy your day, friend! :)
So are you saying that the US is majority Nazi now? You planning to leave then? Or are you content living among Nazis?
Lol. Patriotic Americans don’t leave when Nazis show up.
We have another remedy for them. Patriotic Americans that came before us set an example for us.
Maybe we should look at the example of the people of Lincoln Heights chasing Nazis off and burning their Nazi flags. Lol, I think I can see you in this video running away with your tail between your legs.
LMAO
I’m not a Nazi though. And sure, chaste Nazi’s off. But republicans aren’t Nazi’s so…
“differing opinions”
I mean I know you guys love playing victim, but holy shit.
Probably a good idea for us to find a new conservative community.
Yeah, you should probably leave. There are multiple racist cesspool social media platforms you’d feel at home with. Hell, one is run by the President and another is run by the de facto President. Plus, you guys have the largest fake news cable network in the nation. Why are you feeling so persecuted? Oh right, that whole victim complex you guys got going on.
I mean, come on. Your daddy is in. He’s here with his “concepts of plans” to deconstruct our federal government and re-organize it to empower our oligarchs and erase the middle class. You should be happy. You’re on top of the world right now. Well, the oligarchs are. You’re just kind of rooting for them from the gutter. A cheerleader of sorts.
Running away is what they want us to do.
No, it’s just what you’re good at. Stay cucked out there.
Yeah, you should probably leave.
This instance, sure. But we won’t leave Lemmy. More conservatives are coming too. Lemmy isn’t a democrat/lib-only place.
Why are you feeling so persecuted?
I’m not. We actually won the election. I feel vidicated.
I also fully expect to be banned for saying that. lmao
Banned by who? There are no mods here.
Are you used to being banned?Ha, fair point.
But the admins are the ones who removed the mods. They would also be the ones to do the banning.
And I am not used to being banned. I am used to seeing people banned for silly things though. There is a whole community about crazy bannings and it’s a great read.
I’m not used to being banned
Are you sure about that?
Have a super-duper day, friend! :)
I have never been banned. Using this username or any other. So I don’t know what you are implying.
Okay, friend! :)
Glad you understand.
Watch how quickly you’re shown the door if you all try and pull your Truth Social bullshit here.
I’m not on Truth Social. Or any of the social media sites.
This instance, sure. But we won’t leave Lemmy.
Ok. No one cares if you stay or leave. We’re just trying to get you to stop crying. You’re just upset that this isn’t like /r/conservative where only flaired and vetted conservative users can post along party lines. You’re not used to getting pushback in a conservative space and you’re having a little freakout over it.
I’m not. We actually won the election.
Then why are you crying?
I also fully expect to be banned for saying that
No one’s banning you. You just like playing victim.
Ok. No one cares if you stay or leave.
Cool. Then don’t worry about it so much!
We’re just trying to get you to stop crying.
Not crying. Trump won, remember? :)
You’re not used to getting pushback in a conservative space and you’re having a little freakout over it.
Oh, I’m very used to Lemmy not allowing any opposing opinions.
No one’s banning you. You just like playing victim.
Cool! Then I guess I’ll keep on posting!
Cool. Then don’t worry about it so much!
The only thing I’m worrying about is low-IQ failures like yourself supporting fascism in America. Btw, another prominent conservative performed a Nazi salute at CPAC yesterday.
You are scum that supports fascism in America. But you aren’t intelligent enough to understand that you’re doing so. THAT is what concerns me. Because there are many, many more incels like you out there.
Not crying. Trump won, remember? :)
I totally remember. That’s why I’m confused as to why you’ve been losing your mind as every comment you leave is being downvoted and exposing you for the low-IQ individual you are. You should be happy, but instead you’re having a meltdown.
Oh, I’m very used to Lemmy not allowing any opposing opinions.
No, you’re used to being a victim, because that’s a core component of your personality.
Cool! Then I guess I’ll keep on posting!
And you’ll keep being downvoted by people with more IQ points than you in a space you thought you were safe in.
Not losing my mind at all.
I’ve been laughing every day since Trump won. :)
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Running away is 100% what I would like you to do.
Of course you would. I am totally aware that you all want this to be an echo-chamber with no diversity of opinion.
But that’s exactly why you lost the election AND why you all were so surprised that you lost. Because you refuse to pay any attetion to anyone who disagrees with you.
We’re not going anywhere. Maybe a new instance, but Lemmy is going to have conservatives on it. Accept it.
Or not. I don’t care either way.
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All the posts are conservative, but the comments are supposed to be dissenting.
I want the echo chamber and it’s supporters to fuck ALL the way off.
Agreed. So do you think a conservative community is the only echo-chamber on Lemmy?
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Conservative communities on multiple instances are some of the most downvoted places in all of Lemmy
Because Lemmy is mostly democrat/lib. Not because all information posted by conservatives is bad. You all use the terms “nazi” and “facist” way too much. And many just use it as a base insult, without any other meaning.
When you see a brown duck, you call it a brown duck. I’m seeing Nazis and Fascists, so I’m using those words.
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Cool. And that’s one of the reasons that Democrats lost the election. So keep doing that and see what happens next election too.
Nobody has a problem with Conservatism, it’s the people actively supporting Nazis that don’t deserve a place. You didn’t vote for someone that’s currently supporting nazis, by any chance, did you?
So are you saying over half of America actively supports Nazis? Cuz Trump won. And if you couldn’t win against a “nazi supporter” what does that say about the Democratic party?
So are you saying over half of America actively suppor Nazis?
I mean, have you heard of 1930s Germany? Do you think it’s somehow impossible for a large portion of a nation (not half as you suggested) to be misled and manipulated into something horrible? Because it has literally happened before. All you really need is for a populist with no moral compass to take advantage of desperate people by playing to their hate and fear. Enter Donald Trump.
Cool. So again, are you saying over half of America supports Nazis and Fascists? So are you saying that America is a majority Nazi country?
Yes or no?
So again, are you saying over half of America supports Nazis and Fascists?
Again, it’s not over half. I’m not sure how you’re getting that figure. I think you assume that since slightly over half of VOTING Americans voted for Trump, that it somehow means over half of ALL AMERICANS voted for him, which isn’t true.
And yes, over half of VOTING AMERICANS voted to support literal Nazis and fascists. This has happened before in history. I’m not sure why you don’t understand that other than lacking a suitable education.
Of course I mean voting americans in this context. Come on, man… Do you think that I think people under 18 voted?!
So you all lost to Nazi’s and fascists. So what does that say about the Democrat party if you couldn’t even win against them?
But that’s exactly why you lost the election AND why you all were so surprised that you lost. Because you refuse to pay any attetion to anyone who disagrees with you.
We lost because the Republican party is REALLY good at running fear-based disinformation campaigns and a lot of Americans are not very smart and easily influenced.
We’re not going anywhere.
Buddy, unless you’re extremely wealthy, we’re all going the same place together, which is down. We can hold hands if you want.
We lost because the Republican party is REALLY good at running fear-based disinformation campaigns and a lot of Americans are not very smart and easily influenced.
I disagree. I think they totally suck at it. I think the democrats just sucked worse. And many “on-the-fence” folks got tired of Democrats talking down to them and making fun of them just because they weren’t 100 percent on board with every dem idea.
And in fact, many democrat strategist have said the same thing since the election and are asking that Democrats lose some of the ego and elitism in order to turn things around the next election. And i agree with them.
Lemmy sure hasn’t learned from that mistake tho. I see many on Lemmy just outright making fun of anyone who didn’t vote for Harris–even if they voted a third party.
I honestly think you all need to lose another election for you to learn your lesson.
Lemmy sure hasn’t learned from that mistake tho. I see many on Lemmy just outright making fun of anyone who didn’t vote for Harris–even if they voted a third party.
Yeah, I’m going to continue bashing people who voted for fascism. I don’t care why they did it, they had all the information and now our government owns us. Congrats, you got what you voted for. I hope you enjoy the hell you helped create before you get sent to the real one, bitch.
If you voted third party, you chose your feelings as you voted over the outcome of your vote. You don’t deserve sympathy if you’re too fragile to actually look at what your vote accomplishes.
Congrats, you got what you voted for.
I like what Trump and Musk are doing. Thank you.
I hope you enjoy the hell you helped create before you get sent to the real one, bitch.
Lemmy doesn’t even believe in Hell, so I guess I have nothing to worry about.
And many “on-the-fence” folks got tired of Democrats talking down to them and making fun of them just because they weren’t 100 percent on board with every dem idea.
So they voted for an anti-democratic felon rapist who incited and insurrection and illegally attempted to overturn an election because Dems were being mean to them? Wow, they sound stupid as fuck.
even if they voted a third party.
I mean, you have to be pretty goddamn stupid to vote 3rd party in a presidential election. The 3rd party candidate with the most votes was magician Jill Stein, who magically appears right before every election, then disappears again. And she got a whopping HALF OF A SINGLE PERCENT of the total votes cast. So there’s literally no way a 3rd party can win, so it’s pretty stupid to vote for them when democracy is on the line.
I honestly think you all need to lose another election for you to learn your lesson.
I honestly think you need a much better education than what you have thus far received.
Wow, they sound stupid as fuck.
Yet they won the election. So what does that say about the people who lost?
So what does that say about the people who lost?
That we’re not incel scum that supports fascism in America.
LMAO
Leaves a literal Nazi celebration post up for days
Admins have enough and removes the mods to take control
Conservatives: [Surprised Pikachu Face] tHaTs CEnSoRShiP
No, no it’s not, go somewhere else to spew your hate and bigotry. You’ll be welcome with open arms on Xitter
Leaves a literal Nazi celebration post up for days
I didn’t see it. So describe it to me.
Support of nazis isn’t the free speech you think it is.
I don’t support Nazi’s, so not sure what you mean.
I’m defending Nazi’s or Nazi salutes.
Accidental honesty, lmao?
The fact that, upon learning literal Nazism is the reason behind this, you turn around and say, “Now hold on, let’s get the facts, good people on both sides, let’s find a new place, blah blah blah,” kinda tells the whole story.
Thanks for the catch. Fixed.
Fat fingers, not “accidental honesty.”
Today was a learning experience for you.
if only
No, I already know how much Lemmy hates differing opinions. I just won’t post to that community. I found plenty of other communities to post to. It’s no loss to me.
Yes, “do brown people deserve human rights” is just a “differing opinion” like if you like onions on your hot dog. Obviously a very intellectually honest term for the issue at hand.
Wow, RIP that community then. Anybody know of a good alternative? I run rightwingvideos@thelemmy.club but the purpose of that community is strictly videos. In many cases when I see censorship in communities I make communities, but I generally don’t like making ideologically tilted communities unless the content I would post literally wouldn’t fit anywhere else (I did make opeds@thelemmy.club for heavily biased or opinion articles, but they can be either left leaning or right leaning).
Edit: I’m moving to Conservatives@hilariouschaos.com
Edit: I’m moving to Conservatives@hilariouschaos.com
Yep, that’s where I’m going too!
I’m not a conservative but I would love to see people with opinions other than comically far left have somewhere to call home.
I joined world because I didn’t really know what Lemmy was and I was just “trying it out” after I got banned from all of reddit across all my accounts (they never told me why and instantly denied my appeal).
If a more open minded instance pops up or you create it let me know.
.world is definitely not an open-minded one, in my opinion.
In my opinion, the most open minded one so far is sh.itjust.works.
But I will admit I haven’t visited all of the Lemmy’s. Lemm.ee USED to be one of the more openminded ones, but something has changed lately. They def try to shut down disenting voices now. Not sure if they got pressured into it or what happened. But a change started 2 or 3 weeks ago.
I don’t even know how to switch instances tbh.
I’ll look into switching later at some point.
It’s the same process you used to register for your current account. You can’t transfer anything automatically though, but it’s easy enough to set it up again with your subscriptions and blocks.
Well I am def not pressuring you. If you are fine with .world, stay there.
But to switch, you just go to any other community and sign up. So you would click on https://sh.itjust.works/, click sign up, pick your username. Once they verify your email, boom! You’re on a new instance.
And for a summary of all the different instances you can join (think of them like servers, each with it’s own flavor): https://join-lemmy.org/instances
Oh it’s that easy? I figured it was gonna require some one handed cartwheels or spells at a minimum.
I’ll probably do that after work then.
Yep, it’s easy. That’s what’s so great about it. Also since some instances get pretty restrictive or ban happy, many just hope on to another instance that is more welcoming.
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Hey, I see you deleted your posts and comments but I wanted to respond anyway for the sake of clarity.
I agree with your points about downvotes and this community being a source of opposition media. If we were against this, the community would’ve been removed a long time ago. The community is still up. We aren’t going to curate or over-police it. It’s in an awkward phase for sure, but the community is still pro-conservatism. I don’t necessarily want to see it turn into an anti-conservative dunk zone. There are plenty other places for that.
Deciding to keep using this community or to move instances - that’s up to the people. Our main concern is keeping things in line with Lemm.ee’s rules, and not allowing unacceptable content to be left up for as long as it was the other day.
lemm.ee has changed. It’s obivous they are giving in to some pressure. They’re gonna be just as bad as .world is. LMAO
You insist on not being a nazi yet nazi content and mods that facilitated it being banned sure seems like the hill you’re hellbent on trying to die on.
I’m not against banning mods that allowed it to happen. I’m against leaving it unmodded and/or deleting the community.
Right, but as you had explained ages ago by this point it isn’t going to be “unmoderated”. So pack it in.
As much as they’ve been obnoxious recently, I don’t have a problem with conservatives having a space here so I don’t think they would/should be deleted unless more of this sort of content continues.
Meh, I’m not THAT passionate about it. There’s already a better alternative at !conservatives@hilariouschaos so I’m just posting there and other places instead.
That’s the beauty of Lemmy. If we don’t like one space, we just move to another.
LmAo!!!
