• NineMileTower@lemmy.worlddeleted by creator
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    Here’s a list of websites China bans:

    • Google
    • YouTube
    • Facebook
    • Yahoo
    • Wikipedia
    • Marxists Internet Archive
    • Reddit
    • Fandom
    • Netflix
    • Zoom
    • Blogspot
    • Bing
    • Instagram
    • WhatsApp
    • Twitch
    • Roblox
    • Steam Store
    • Steam Community
    • Spotify
    • Messenger
    • X
    • LinkedIn
    • Skype
    • Tumblr
    • Pinterest
    • SoundCloud
    • Signal Private Messenger
    • Dropbox
    • Pornhub
    • XVideos
    • Medium
    • Dailymotion
    • BBC
    • The New York Times
    • Vimeo
    • The Guardian
    • SlideShare
    • Discord
    • DeviantArt
    • The Washington Post
    • Nico Video
    • Archive.org (Internet Archive)
    • Bloomberg
    • Flickr
    • Wretch
    • HuffPost
    • The Wall Street Journal
    • DuckDuckGo
    • Scratch
    • Reuters
    • NBC News -TIME
    • Canadian Broadcasting Corporation (CBC)
    • Australian Broadcasting Corporation (ABC)
    • Bandcamp
    • Technorati
    • Archive of Our Own
    • Viber
    • South China Morning Post
    • Plurk
    • The Economist
    • ABC
    • Voice of America
    • Radio Free Asia
    • NBC
    • PBworks
    • The Epoch Times
    • The Epoch Times (Chinese edition)
    • HBO
    • WION
    • Hong Kong Free Press
    • Apple Daily
    • TikTok
    • ChatGPT
    • Rockstar Games
    • GitHub
    • Hugging Face
    • Flipkart
    • Zomato
    • Clubhouse
    • Swiggy
    • Truth Social
    • National Weather Service
    • Kanzhongguo (English)
    • Kanzhongguo (Chinese)
    • Microsoft Copilot
    • Telegram
    • Voice of America (Chinese)
    • Teacher Li Is Not Your Teacher (by a famous anti-CCP Twitter poster)
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        (tin foil hat)

        The government… They control the weather information… Satellites… Weather machines… Snorts cocaine we can’t trust them we need to trust our eyes…

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      Basically any site that they don’t have full control over/can’t buy favor from and has the ability to spread info they dislike, even if it’s something as simple as 2+2=4".

      And if you’re looking for someone outside of China to blame for their internet shield, Cisco was responsible for helping them set it up.

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        And then Huawei allegedly stole Cisco’s IP? Ah, the irony

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      I know this is not a complete list, but what about instances Lemmy? Would be very interesting to have conversations with Chinese behind the great Firewall!

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      Fair point, but that means the ban should be coming from Department of Commerce, not the DoD.

      Don’t try to come up with bullshit excuses about espionage.

      “We’re banning these private-business Chinese websites because China bans our private-business websites and that’s anti-competitive”.

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        Hard disagree, censorship is not welcome in a free society. I dislike a number of those sites and haven’t heard of most of the rest, but I wouldn’t ban a single one.

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          Good luck dealing with the current far-right inthe government in the US and soon in the EU countries though

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            Censoring the far-right doesn’t make it go away. It just pushes it underground where it becomes even more radical outside of the moderating influence of the mainstream.

            The solution is not censorship, but to understand what is causing the rise in right wing radicalism and address the root cause.

            That root cause is the total loss of faith institutions coupled with economic insecurity felt by the working class. When people are scared and angry, they will turn to those who give them simple solutions and an easy scapegoat. It’s a tale as old as time.

            You can try and censor all you want, it won’t ultimately make a difference.

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              Censoring the far-right doesn’t make it go away. It just pushes it underground where it becomes even more radical outside of the moderating influence of the mainstream.

              I beg to differ. The situation was MUCH better in this regard in Western Europe 15-20 years ago when being openly far-right would get you socially ostracized for the most part, and media didn’t routinely bring far-right mouthpieces on national TV.

              That root cause is the total loss of faith institutions coupled with economic insecurity felt by the working class

              I do agree with that though, that’s why I’m a commie who wants economic security for everyone (i.e. guaranteed employment and housing) and strong and trustworthy institutions (such as powerful, free and public healthcare and education and pensions, and the end of austerity)

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                I beg to differ. The situation was MUCH better in this regard in Western Europe 15-20 years ago when being openly far-right would get you socially ostracized for the most part, and media didn’t routinely bring far-right mouthpieces on national TV.

                the question we need to ask is why was being right-wing socially unacceptable back then?

                why is it OK for a politician like Trump to say “immigrants are poisoning the blood of our country” today whereas just 20 years ago that would immediately end a political career?

                it’s not because we had more censorship.

                the why is what we need to address. without economic security and legitimate institutions, we are lost.

                censorship is not the solution and in fact it’s actively harmful. any mechanisms we create for a government to start censoring will inevitably be taken over by fascists when they come to power. and I think we only got a few years left at best

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              True, the far right has lost of lot of ground since musk took over twitter. Hanging Nazis was really a mistake post war. Giving them parlement seats is the best way to take power from them.

              (Yes, this is how stupid you sound)

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                True, the far right has lost of lot of ground since musk took over twitter

                we aren’t talking about some social media platform. we’re talking about a nation state censoring speech. these are two radically different things.

                having said that, even on social media platforms with modern machine learning algorithms you can’t effectively censor. Look at how the far-right uses memes and secret symbols to communicate even through algorithms. for example the pepe the frog memes, the 88, the hand symbols, etc.

                you can’t say “rape” on youtube or tiktok so people just use “grape” instead. the Chinese do similar things on their internet. censorship is always going to be a losing battle.

                Hanging Nazis was really a mistake post war

                executing people who committed war crimes and genocide versus a country censoring speech. again… two radically different things.

                Giving them parlement [sic] seats is the best way to take power from them.

                explain the connection between “giving” seats to Nazis (last I checked we had elections) in the current discussion about a country censoring speech.

                (Yes, this is how stupid you sound)

                you are free to spend your time on the internet saying anything you like. if making these weak appeal to ridicule comments makes you feel stronger, I support you

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        Yeah let’s follow China’s lead and become just like them! I support restricting political freedoms and a giant firewall and a social credit system too.

        They are obviously the superior system and therefore we need to emulate them.

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        You know, you can be critical of a government without using racist slurs against the people from that country. Not everyone from China is part of the CCP.

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        giving you the benefit of the doubt like maybe english isn’t your first language, that word is considered a pejorative/slur in all modern usage

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            the wikipedia article on it cites two instances where it didn’t seem to be wayy back at the word’s inception. but yeah hardly matters in the grand scheme

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            Naw, it was most commonly used as a term similar to “that chinese guy” which is easy to confuse with racism at a time period where people were generally racist towards the chinese, but the term itself is not racist. There were actual slurs back then they could use if they were about that.

            My Grandmother said they always bought they’re vegetables growing up from the chinaman who rolled his cart through the alleyway behind their homes. It’s not a term of hate, but it’s easy to say hateful things alongside it.

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        Your submission in “Tencent says it’s not a Chinese military company and is willing to sue the US Department of Defense if it isn’t removed from a blacklist” was removed for Rule 3.

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          Your submission in “Tencent says it’s not a Chinese military company and is willing to sue the US Department of Defense if it isn’t removed from a blacklist” was removed for Rule 3.

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    Every fucking Chinese company is required to be an arm of their government and provide them with any information they request. It’s not even a question, they are an arm of the Chinese government. They can get fucked

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    Sues. Lawyers do discovery. Tencent refuses. Court fines Tencent in contempt, rules in favor of the government. Tencent tries to bribe Trump with something.

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      Which documents, you say?

      What happened?

      Shredded, you say?

      How badly?

      To bits, you say? Oh my my…

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    Oh my, the US military might have to change the name of the list to, “Foreign companies we’re blacklisting for classified reasons”. How terrible.

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    I agree with the US DoD. The large Chinese corporations are owned by CCP members and former PLA officers. Contain them until the PRC implodes.

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      Not to mention I’m pretty sure all of their Chinese office buildings are literally in Military owned and operated land.

      It would be like Google HQ being in the middle of a US military base.

      EDIT: Although I do admit adjacent the Googleplex building there is a Department of Defense building like 10 minutes drive, near the airfield, but it’s probably there because NASA operates on the airfield.

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        Like thats not a bad idea from an international perspective, there are plenty of folks who maintain connections and may or may not be at minimum an annoyance. Though I also feel like American culture is mercantile and independent enough that such risks are generally minimized, except from so called Christian companies those sons of bitches always have a secondary goal beyond profits.

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        If the US goes China goes, the trade links are comparable to the late bronze age which ended when the trade links collapsed.

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          Given the insane tariffs on Chinese goods and the fact that china is still thriving begs to differ.

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    Sure, go ahead and try to sue the single most powerful entity on the planet.